Diff locks (operation)

[klarie]

Pretty simple .. the way the lockers work there is only little chance that both locking elements are in exact position to engage. This means in most situations some yards or wheel turns straight are required to engage.
Finally I agree to all other posters, be always terrain aware. Engage before you get in trouble. And avoid risks.. the transfer case and locks support you to minimize the risk.. at the end its always the ability of person in control. I never received professional off road trainin. Most I learned by doing and sheer luck to never got stuck so far, what happened to me on a grass road uphill I got slowly sliding backwards.. Indeed a tyre topic .. the Disco was at that time my company car and I had no choice then. The other topic was similar.. where I nearly got stuck but managed to back out rear with aid of electronic and a soft foot on accellerator.
Offroad means at first get driving experience, pay attention to terrain and appropriate tyres. 4WD and all other wont help if there is no link between vehicle and terrain

 

[Miki]

Yes, but is it correct?

You think I just made it up ?
Is it only Ineos personel who know these things ? no one else has any clue about anything ?

@DCPU is right, actually there is a grainflat return sping and a flummox plate that intertwine with a grippen ring that grabs the planet gear and holds the crown in a vice grip.
2 longitudinal rods rotate next to the gripen ring which allows the 5 internal cogs to stay in line with the external rotating wheels (not the 'wheels' that wou;ld be silly) so the grainflat spring can feel where each of the halfshafts are.
Keeping them in alignment to each other is the key and by holding one of the 5 cogs (the baby weights) it's easy to ensure there is no rotational forces disrupting the chain and holds the vehicles wheel still.

It's an Ineos invention and is propriatory to them, only thier service center personel really understand how the diff-lock works which is why they charge you over £100 an hour to do all of those neccesary jobs (like check the baby weights and ensure the flummox plate hasn't smoothed).

 

[Fab]

Yes, but is it correct?

Is our planet a globe?

 

[Mitchell300]

Tested my diff locks yesterday. Initially indication of engagement and disengagement of rear and front diff’s didn’t show for approximately 20 metres. When tested again the indication showed engagement and disengagement as soon as the wheels moved. This was the first time I had tried them. All working as expected.

 

[ECrider]

Tested my diff locks yesterday. Initially indication of engagement and disengagement of rear and front diff’s didn’t show for approximately 20 metres. When tested again the indication showed engagement and disengagement as soon as the wheels moved. This was the first time I had tried them. All working as expected.

that's great to hear. when did you take dely and what is the VIN's last 4 (2xxx???)

 

[Mitchell300]

that's great to hear. when did you take dely and what is the VIN's last 4 (2xxx???)

15th June, 0890

 

[Miki]

Tested my diff locks yesterday. Initially indication of engagement and disengagement of rear and front diff’s didn’t show for approximately 20 metres. When tested again the indication showed engagement and disengagement as soon as the wheels moved. This was the first time I had tried them. All working as expected.

You may find that after the locks are engaged, if you were to drive in a figure of eight, that you may need to reverse a small distance to get them to 'unlock', which is normal.

If there is any tension in the longitudinal rods, the grippen washer and flummox plate hold the baby weights to ransom.
Reversing will relieve the tension and the planet will release its grip on the crown (called a Megan moment in some circles).

 

[Mitchell300]

You may find that after the locks are engaged, if you were to drive in a figure of eight, that you may need to reverse a small distance to get them to 'unlock', which is normal.

If there is any tension in the longitudinal rods, the grippen washer and flummox plate hold the baby weights to ransom.
Reversing will relieve the tension and the planet will release its grip on the crown (called a Megan moment in some circles).

@Miki any chance of an exploded diagram showing the parts you mentioned ? It would be easier for me to understand, thanks. Tried looking online but couldn’t find anything.

 

[Miki]

@Miki any chance of an exploded diagram showing the parts you mentioned ? It would be easier for me to understand, thanks. Tried looking online but couldn’t find anything.

Sorry it's proprietory information, if I tell you there would be terrible consequences ...

 

[Mitchell300]

Sorry it's proprietory information, if I tell you there would be terrible consequences ...

Well goodbye, your the first person I’ve blocked

 

[klarie]

Well goodbye, your the first person I’ve blocked

Hm. if he has information - and passes it on as good as possible but content is confidential - so I understand. To me its the same. There is some information that I can tell verbally to get an idea - but not disclose written or pictoral form. This is regulatory.. - I ve got customers who want a solution, - but do not tell for what it is intended. - What they do is, please imagine the following situation. Then they explain this and want a solution. What I do is similar...

 

[Oskar]

Yes, but is it correct?

I think the underlying problem of tension will be in any design. Agree?

 

[MileHigh]

Is the manual available in PDF form online? I hadn’t seen that.

 

[Trialmaster]

Is the manual available in PDF form online? I hadn’t seen that.

Yep, I'm sure it will be here in resources. It's also on the Grenadier Site and my little site.

Just tried my Lockers and all worked great. Took a little time to disengage them though!

 

[ADVAW8S]

Just tried my Lockers and all worked great. Took a little time to disengage them though!

Your lockers were saying "are you sure? Are you really sure, you want us off?"

 

[Miki]

Just tried my Lockers and all worked great. Took a little time to disengage them though!

Tht's good, it means they are new and well engineered. In a few years of use they will get looser and easier to engage/disengage.

 

[Jean Mercier]

... my little site.

Nice site, neat, beautiful, and for me especially the links page, as I am still looking for sidesteps for my Grenadier (my dealer doesn't answer my question concerning delivery delays and new price of the Ineos side steps).

 

[Lollo050968]

Good news! Today at Matzker Offroad test drive event, my rear and front Diff Locks work as they should. On the Offroad trail, they were not really needed, but a surface on the trail which allow to use.
So now all Locks, Modes tested and everything do the work, they have to do

Battery was this morning around 89%, after approximately 200km drive over the day, back to 95%. this morning a collection of false error messages, this afternoon nothing. At my car, I am really sure, that the messages are connected to the level of power from battery.

P.S. Met @Maxwell at the event

 

[Miki]

Battery was this morning around 89%, after approximately 200km drive over the day, back to 95%. this morning a collection of false error messages, this afternoon nothing. At my car, I am really sure, that the messages are connected to the level of power from battery.

That's interesting..
Are you getting your battery info from the Grenny console ?

I would reccomend one of these (2 if you have the 2nd battery).
They attach to the battery directly and then you download an app which tells you the status of the battery.
Not in a % scale, but the actual voltage.

My Aston slowly discharges so it was usefull for keeping an eye on the status and I now have one in my old Defender to keep an eye on things too.
As the cars are parked within Bluetooth distance from my office and the app runs on my phone, I can check regularly.

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[Lollo050968]

Yes, I have the information from the Ineos console, and I have two batteries