Vehicle rejected after 4 months off the road due to steering geometry being unroadworthy!!!

DaveB said:

Well summed up.
I am getting the feeling that most of the complaining (except for the early owners) is coming from people who made the wrong decision to purchase a Grenadier.
This vehicle is not for everyone. Doesn't make you better or worse than others.
I see people saying Ineos should change to rack & pinion steering, this means they would need to change to an independent front end.
Not what we want.
I would love the HVAC to have better settings and more adjustability but..........

Some people want

• more ground clearance < That's every vehicle.
• Airbag suspension < New one on me.
• better sound system < 556 in small spaces ="s doesn't care. Personal opinion.
• larger fuel tank < Yea, that range is stupid low. Magna musta thought it was military convoy truck.
• better fuel economy < Decade plus old engine design will get you decade old efficiency
• more power < For what? Too much power breaks things and wastes fuel.
• more torque < For what? Read above.
• different engine < Most important reason they picked this? "powered by bmw" on the hood.
• different axles < I don't get the choice myself. This will be a 100k/decade delayed issue.
• different transfer case < Why?
• different lockers < No, people just want them to go in and out.
• off road modes < Well, if all the electronics already exist, whats the point in not?
• etc etc etc < Seats with proper basic adjustments. Spare parts. Manual. Self maintenance. Service network. What was baked into the dream. etc etc etc.

Clearly what they want is a different vehicle
Or one they can modify to their own needs. < Clearly they just want the baseline of every other 80kusd car.

As you said all owners can go ahead and spend thousands on aftermarket accessories.

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Zimm said:

Actually, I would use gamble. That's why my VIN is still sitting on the lot. Once a week I tell shezimm I'm tired of looking at my screen saver, I think I've got most of the issues worked out that can be, and before I call and throw the dice, I log on to see if Ineos decided to fix what only they can fix, and instead I read of more reasons to not live 5 hours from a dealer.

We're much in the same party here from what you wrote. I think you're observation of reality was right, just not complimentary to Ineos. You're just OK with your outcome of the gamble, whereas for the amount of driving I do I'd be onto oil change 2 and having to take it to the dealer would make me bananas. And that's just one of the issues no other car has that ought not be.

I may just end up being a MY25 or 26, assuming they actually listen to their customers. I'm the weird HS chick that got dumped, but still thinks he's gonna come back in time for the prom.

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Zimm said:

Actually, I would use gamble. That's why my VIN is still sitting on the lot. Once a week I tell shezimm I'm tired of looking at my screen saver, I think I've got most of the issues worked out that can be, and before I call and throw the dice, I log on to see if Ineos decided to fix what only they can fix, and instead I read of more reasons to not live 5 hours from a dealer.

We're much in the same party here from what you wrote. I think you're observation of reality was right, just not complimentary to Ineos. You're just OK with your outcome of the gamble, whereas for the amount of driving I do I'd be onto oil change 2 and having to take it to the dealer would make me bananas. And that's just one of the issues no other car has that ought not be.

I may just end up being a MY25 or 26, assuming they actually listen to their customers. I'm the weird HS chick that got dumped, but still thinks he's gonna come back in time for the prom.

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Trialmaster said:

I had my steering realigned by Chandlers, Belton, Grantham. UK. It wasn’t that bad before they adjusted it, now it’s perfect. Which proves it can be done.

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landmannnn said:

A wise man (or woman) would of course hold back on pressing that trigger for another 12 months. It is fair to say that I don't fall into that category.

I hate main dealers with a passion. With the nearest being 17 minutes away, I will still avoid them unless I really have to go there.

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Tom D said:

Like I said when I got mine, to me the steering feels fine, better than an old defender, 70 series or wrangler. But, if you've only ever had rack and pinion IFS vehicles its going to feel very agricultural. Mine tracks true and doesn't wander, vague? Yes, imprecise? Yes when compared with other 'cars'. but what do you expect, it's on tractor axles!
I feel sad for the OP, as his new car hasn't worked out, but I think a bit more research would have steered him towards something else.

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Zimm said:

We just phased out our last ford E series van. Those were the benchmark for bad steering that progressed to a 2" dead center at 50k miles. But new, they were better than this. These have weird steering even compared to my lifted 40yo fj60, so people, that keep saying the complsins are from lifelong bmw318i owners are being a bit disingenuous. It's one of the first comments out of every reviewers mouth.

I'm not saying it isn't livable, that one wont acclimate, and it's even slightly correctable, I'm just saying it's weird, and the excuses given, like eliminating kickback, are BS. It's kinda baked in now, though, like the footwell hump.

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Zimm said:

17 min, I'd be all in too. My impulse buying would definitely overrun my logic and observation at that point.

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MalcolmT said:

We rejected our Grenadier after the vehicle was deemed unroadworthy 19/12/23 and received refund less £0.76/mile 11/4/24 having been VOR for nearly 4 months.
Water ingress is one minor issue.
Steering geometry design is up the spout. And unable to resolve to be safe within Ineos stated tolerances.

No after sales interaction.

No solution after 4 months is a complete joke.

There is a gagging order on all members of the press internationally and people gifted with the use of one of Ineos’s vehicles.

Disappointing considering Magna design and
manufacture, So much for the bullshit of German or Austrian engineering and French manufacturing.

No parts back up, will not replace a radiator with a locally manufactured hose so they have to steel a part off a showroom car after two weeks off the road.

Oh and by the way if your battery fails you won’t see a replacement for many weeks. Even the batteries are failing.

Door window seals shrink so they might eventually replace them and you guessed it they shrink again. No engineering input as they do not have an engineer in the UK or any other country in the World inputting to re-engineer the parts failure in the first instance to resolve any other customer having no further issues from their incompetence.

Steer clear if your steering is safe to use on a tarmac road which it made for! Do not fall for the bullshit as our vehicle was not fit for purpose or safe to drive on the UK highways.

It took them over a month to collect it after having paid the refund. There is either a big scrap heap of these Grenadiers or some other sucker will think he’s got a bargain.

I had a full engineering investigation arrived out by a vehicle engineering specialist investigator.

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[ Adam ] said:

I don't expect you checked and recorded the tire pressure on the Grenadiers you've driven, but I'll bet dollars to donuts the tires were overinflated. Get behind the wheel of one set to 36psi and things change for the better.

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Zimm said:

No I did not, I generally would expect the dealership to have them set correctly for the demo rig. Decreasing pressure though would elongate the contact patch a tad maybe making it steer a bit slower. The only differences between 30# and 45# I really notice on a 35" is the harshness first and foremost, and the steering maybe a little lighter at the higher pressure. I've written before, this isn't a track 911. It's a chunky girl on solids. if someone feels a huge change with 8 psi on load range E sidewalls, there may be a little motivated perception kicking in. The contact patch and sidewall tire roll just doesn't change all that much with a 10psi swing on meats like these.

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Totally agree parb.​

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Vehicle rejected after 4 months off the road due to steering geometry being unroadworthy!!!​

parb said:

Share the report. Or at least make the key finding in the report your core argument. It should be some key observation about safety supported by measurable data. This way other owners can confirm it refute your finding and that benefits us all.

Short of this you come across as mostly whining without much substance behind your argument.

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bbq4133 said:

Scrolled through 4 pages, still don't see the engineering report. Is it real?

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Shaky said:

Whether it is or it isn’t, I don’t think we will be seeing it anyway buddy.

Who is to say what is going on, but it certainly gives the impression that the OP is/was looking to vent their spleen, and not a lot more. Some simple bullet points on the defects would be simple to disclose, but even that seems a bridge to far

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