Grenadier + New Defender (side-by-side view)

OGrid · Mar 4, 2024

A side view may have been posted previously, though I don’t recall it.

I returned to my vehicle in the city today to find a New Defender parked in front (they could have given me some more room, but that’s a different matter). I’ve been next to the New Defender in traffic quite a few times, but it was only walking back this time did so many of the differences really stand out and were highlighted to me - hello windscreen angles between the two.

[ Adam ] · Mar 4, 2024

I saw these two parked next to each other back in November. The size difference is appreciable.

Chadd7 · Mar 4, 2024

OGrid said:
A side view may have been posted previously, though I don’t recall it.

I returned to my vehicle in the city today to find a New Defender parked in front (they could have given me some more room, but that’s a different matter). I’ve been next to the New Defender in traffic quite a few times, but it was only walking back this time did so many of the differences really stand out and were highlighted to me - hello windscreen angles between the two.

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Is the defender raised? My buddy’s defender sits a lot lower

OGrid · Mar 4, 2024

Chadd7 said:
Is the defender raised? My buddy’s defender sits a lot lower

I was wondering that at the time. I wanted to have a look under but thought it prudent not to. As can be seen from the pic the drivers side window starts higher than mine, which surprised me. And the pics by Adam above also show a lower sitting Defender.

Air suspension? They maybe raised it intentionally to flex when they parked in front of me.

[ Adam ] · Mar 4, 2024

OGrid said:
Air suspension? They maybe raised it intentionally to flex when they parked in front of me.

If I recall correctly - all New Defender 110's have air. That does not look like it is at the default curb height for a parked vehicle.

I agree with your assessment that he tried to flex by leaving it in off road mode.

Chadd7 · Mar 4, 2024

OGrid said:
A side view may have been posted previously, though I don’t recall it.

I returned to my vehicle in the city today to find a New Defender parked in front (they could have given me some more room, but that’s a different matter). I’ve been next to the New Defender in traffic quite a few times, but it was only walking back this time did so many of the differences really stand out and were highlighted to me - hello windscreen angles between the two.

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I wonder if someone might make puck spacers for our front suspension to reduce the front rake. Seems like it's begging to be raised an inch or so. Did that for my Wrangler back in the day.

ADVAW8S · Mar 4, 2024

I have the new defender and yes, almost all come with air suspension. There are three factory heights, entry level, normal and off road. Entry level puts the ground clearance at around 6 inches. Normal is 8 and off road is 12. When looking at @OGrid It looks like the Defender is in offroad mode. The picture by @[ Adam ] looks like Entry level was used.

GrenADV · Mar 4, 2024

It's likely that they have lift rods installed on the black defender pictured above. It's a cheap and easy way to give the new defenders a "lift" thereby fooling the ride height sensors into thinking it's in normal ride height, but really it's in off road. I think a number of aftermarkets make these lift rods for the new defender, but Lucky8 is one of the most popular.

[ Adam ] · Mar 4, 2024

yep - comm

GrenADV said:
It's likely that they have lift rods installed on the black defender pictured above. It's a cheap and easy way to give the new defenders a "lift" thereby fooling the ride height sensors into thinking it's in normal ride height, but really it's in off road. I think a number of aftermarkets make these lift rods for the new defender, but Lucky8 is one of the most popular.

yep - these too - https://www.johnsonrods.com/defender-lift-kit

Flinthills · Mar 4, 2024

I currently own a 23' 110s with steelies, and all the off road packages I could order, and took delivery of my Trialmaster in December. After driving both vehicles in same scenarios both off road, highway, and long distance road trips, in my opinion they are very different. The Defender is definitely a road queen, but to my surprise very capable off road. Grenadier is comfortable on road, but shines off road. Many have mentioned reliability short term and long term on the Defender, an having owned 20+ Land Rovers over the years, understand. The closest Ineos dealer to me is 500+ miles away, and not knowing yet how Ineos will overcome the niche market, and stay in business long term, evens out the pros and cons of owning a Land Rover long term. I have owned the Defender for almost a year, and so far ZERO issues. The Grenadier is having the same issues that are being discussed on this forum, but does not bother me. I knew when I put my deposit down 9/21, that this was going to be a brand new company/vehicle, so I would have to be patient. Being a Land Rover customer prepared me for all of this.

FlyersFan76 · Mar 4, 2024

OGrid said:
I was wondering that at the time. I wanted to have a look under but thought it prudent not to. As can be seen from the pic the drivers side window starts higher than mine, which surprised me. And the pics by Adam above also show a lower sitting Defender.

Air suspension? They maybe raised it intentionally to flex when they parked in front of me.

I always raised my Defender whenever I parked. For someone over 6' tall the off-road height is the access height.

That Defender on the street was definitely in offroad height.

This would be extended off road height.

ScottnAZ · Mar 5, 2024

Definitely looks like an off-road height “flex” situation…….

Paco Garcia · Mar 5, 2024

OGrid said:
A side view may have been posted previously, though I don’t recall it.

I returned to my vehicle in the city today to find a New Defender parked in front (they could have given me some more room, but that’s a different matter). I’ve been next to the New Defender in traffic quite a few times, but it was only walking back this time did so many of the differences really stand out and were highlighted to me - hello windscreen angles between the two.

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Not if it is due to an effect in the photo, but your car looks excessively raised from the back or fallen from the front, mine is the same as yours and it doesn't look like that, in mine there is a difference of 3 cm more in the back

Chadd7 · Mar 5, 2024

ScottnAZ said:
Definitely looks like an off-road height “flex” situation…….
View attachment 7846788Reminds me of Snoopy

DaBull · Mar 5, 2024

Paco Garcia said:
Not if it is due to an effect in the photo, but your car looks excessively raised from the back or fallen from the front, mine is the same as yours and it doesn't look like that, in mine there is a difference of 3 cm more in the back

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Hi Paco, Wow, your vehicle looks fantastic. I really like your hand made custom rock slider / side steps. Look very Fit For Purpose! DaBull

4x4Brick #1561 · Mar 5, 2024

[ Adam ] said:
I saw these two parked next to each other back in November. The size difference is appreciable.

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And the Grenadier doesn't even have on its roof rack yet but the defender does.

DaveB · Mar 5, 2024

OGrid said:
A side view may have been posted previously, though I don’t recall it.

I returned to my vehicle in the city today to find a New Defender parked in front (they could have given me some more room, but that’s a different matter). I’ve been next to the New Defender in traffic quite a few times, but it was only walking back this time did so many of the differences really stand out and were highlighted to me - hello windscreen angles between the two.

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Looks like the Defender has had the suspension badly modified or has it in raised offroad mode.

2wheelfish · Mar 5, 2024

My guess is he raised it to off-road mode to compare height/clearance to the Gren…and then walked away a little defeated lol.

Catpaw4x4 · Mar 5, 2024

Driving this afternoon, saw a LR4 "beebopping" down the road ... I chuckled thinking of this conversation regarding "how high" as this person was much more interested in "how looooooow" could they go

.At most 4 inches and probably 3 inches off the ground ... no photo would have done the experience justice!! Never know what Life will present you!

Tom109 · Mar 5, 2024

Catpaw4x4 said:
Driving this afternoon, saw a LR4 "beebopping" down the road ... I chuckled thinking of this conversation regarding "how high" as this person was much more interested in "how looooooow" could they go .At most 4 inches and probably 3 inches off the ground ... no photo would have done the experience justice!! Never know what Life will present you!

My wife has a good eye for LR3/4 bumpstop riders

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