fuel tank capacity

globalgregors · Sep 2, 2023

AnD3rew said:
No I haven’t used before. I am hopeful that if you are careful not to splash diesel on the outside they will be ok.

No worries. Looks like a good option for a long range expedition, for us mirroring the approach we use for water.

bemax · Sep 2, 2023

The only thing that confused me on this article is that they are obviously made for fuel, while on the website they warn that it would be prohibited to use them for fuel in the USA…

AnD3rew · Sep 2, 2023

bemax said:
The only thing that confused me on this article is that they are obviously made for fuel, while on the website they warn that it would be prohibited to use them for fuel in the USA…

It says they don’t meet ADRs for Australia as well. But Shhhh!

globalgregors · Sep 2, 2023

bemax said:
The only thing that confused me on this article is that they are obviously made for fuel, while on the website they warn that it would be prohibited to use them for fuel in the USA…

In Australia, at least as far as I understand it (not a lawyer), the standard is enforceable for ‘Class 3’ liquids (ie petrol). Diesel meanwhile is not considered a dangerous good. Whether this translates into an exception or not may differ by state or, perhaps more practically, by enforcement/responsible person in question. eg. One may find a service station will not permit one to fill them with diesel, as it would be illegal to fill them with petrol, and it’s easier to require approved containers for both petrol and diesel than differentiate.

I invite corrections on that from more experienced outback travellers. I admittedly was more thinking Alaska/Atacama etc and those parts of the world where it’s Rafferty’s Rules.

AnD3rew · Sep 7, 2023

They arrived, very light and compact empty whichbis fabulous. They have oleander of webbing and handles and I think they can easily be hung on ther rear ladder and probably also from the grab handles and secured at the bottom on the Utility belt.

Bonus they come with a funnel in a neat pouch on the bag as well.

MrMike · Sep 7, 2023

AnD3rew said:
No I haven’t used before. I am hopeful that if you are careful not to splash diesel on the outside they will be ok.

There's a few reviews on them, some don't like them because they are messy, but i guess it depends on how you go about transferring the fuel.

MrMike · Sep 7, 2023

globalgregors said:
In Australia, at least as far as I understand it (not a lawyer), the standard is enforceable for ‘Class 3’ liquids (ie petrol). Diesel meanwhile is not considered a dangerous good. Whether this translates into an exception or not may differ by state or, perhaps more practically, by enforcement/responsible person in question. eg. One may find a service station will not permit one to fill them with diesel, as it would be illegal to fill them with petrol, and it’s easier to require approved containers for both petrol and diesel than differentiate.

I invite corrections on that from more experienced outback travellers. I admittedly was more thinking Alaska/Atacama etc and those parts of the world where it’s Rafferty’s Rules.

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This is interesting....
Flammable liquids shall not be filled from a service station’s fuel dispenser into a container unless-

The capacity of the container is not greater than 25L; and
The container complies with AS/NZS 2906 or equivalent Standard, or is reasonably leakproof, metal, and has a tight-fitting closure; or
The container is an approved fuel tank for a boat.

Any container shall be on the ground whilst being filled, and not in a car boot or the back of a utility vehicle.

NOTE: Approved portable fuel tanks for boats may be filled in situ.

In summary, diesel is a combustible liquid and is therefore not subject to the restrictions that apply to flammable liquids under Clause 7.6.3 of AS 1940, for the filling of containers at fuel retail outlets.

Diesel can be dispensed into any size container, provided that normal safety precautions for dispensing combustible liquids are applied.

AnD3rew · Sep 7, 2023

MrMike said:
This is interesting....
Flammable liquids shall not be filled from a service station’s fuel dispenser into a container unless-

The capacity of the container is not greater than 25L; and

The container complies with AS/NZS 2906 or equivalent Standard, or is reasonably leakproof, metal, and has a tight-fitting closure; or

The container is an approved fuel tank for a boat.

Any container shall be on the ground whilst being filled, and not in a car boot or the back of a utility vehicle.

NOTE: Approved portable fuel tanks for boats may be filled in situ.

In summary, diesel is a combustible liquid and is therefore not subject to the restrictions that apply to flammable liquids under Clause 7.6.3 of AS 1940, for the filling of containers at fuel retail outlets.

Diesel can be dispensed into any size container, provided that normal safety precautions for dispensing combustible liquids are applied.

Excellent

OzyGrenie · Oct 4, 2023

2x 40ltr fuel bladders in the passenger rear footwells (keep weight as low as possible) with 12v diesel pump to top up main tank. Also hanging a 100 ltr water bladder from the half height cargo barrier (with 12v pump). Also 1x 20 ltr jerry on rear ladder (Black Sheep repacement ladder). 190 ltrs should be ok for most tracks, possibly an additional jerry for the Canning Stock Route (1900 kms),

Korg · Oct 4, 2023

Paulo22 said:
Hi
does anyone knows if there will be an extra fuel tank for grenadier? 90 l seems to be very small for long distance trail
thks

I'm looking at side mount system from Blacksheep along with 4X9 litre containers from Motorradgarage:

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https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/fuel-cells-overland-fuel/4476-22063-overland-fuel-cell-9-litres#/769-colour_overland_fuel_cells-red

plus the mount for the rear tyre fuel cell :

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Spare Fuel Der aus massivem Edelstahl gefertigte Halter wir an den originalen Aufnahmepunkten des Ersatzrades verschraubt und bietet so eine stabile Basis um den mitgelieferten Reservekanister sicher und abschliessbarzu montieren. Dabei bildet die aus d…

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The above plus 2 X 20 litre jerry cans on the roof using the front runner double jerry can mount https://www.frontrunneroutfitters.com/en/au/double-jerry-can-holder.html give a total of around 174 litres - just enough for the Canning Stock Route.

bigleonski · Oct 4, 2023

OzyGrenie said:
2x 40ltr fuel bladders in the passenger rear footwells (keep weight as low as possible) with 12v diesel pump to top up main tank. Also hanging a 100 ltr water bladder from the half height cargo barrier (with 12v pump). Also 1x 20 ltr jerry on rear ladder (Black Sheep repacement ladder). 190 ltrs should be ok for most tracks, possibly an additional jerry for the Canning Stock Route (1900 kms),

Do you think the cargo barrier (and support anchors) will handle that sort of weight on those roads? I’d be a bit cautious there I think.

DenisM · Oct 4, 2023

bigleonski said:
Do you think the cargo barrier (and support anchors) will handle that sort of weight on those roads? I’d be a bit cautious there I think.

@bigleonski I agree with you. The cargo barrier is not designed to support significant vertical weight but rather, absorb momentum from objects propelled forward in a crash...

emax · Oct 4, 2023

I wonder how long the laminated or sewn handles on the bladders will last. With 40 liters that's already 30 kg or more, not to mention 100 liter bags.

That's even interesting from a static point of view, let alone currugations.

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