Towing Electrics & Towing Socket Wiring

Tom D · Jun 6, 2023

DCPU said:
Pin 9 is permanently live?

Yes, but if I wire that to the trailer battery it will work for charging but if I forget to disconnect the plug and go to tip the trailer it will blow the fuse guaranteed. And sooner or later I will forget. Or I will forget to reconnect the wires after tipping and end up driving with no trailer lights. The NATO plug should work fine and it will handle the current.

DCPU · Jun 6, 2023

MarkH said:
Yes this was always my fear, and will be worse with the disconnect here in Oz. I hope they're flying out a software guy to train up the dealers here.

Your man Justin H seems far more proactive in the fledgling Grenadier community there; but he is just one person.

PBD · Jun 6, 2023

Tom D said:
I think a grovelling apology will be incoming as I don’t think this will be an easy fix. The last part of the towing loom will be a plug and play unit, they usually are. I can’t see that they would run 13 wires off the main loom only to put 10 wires in the plug in towing extension. I’d guess that there will be no way to rectify this…

DCPU said:
Don't suppose they wrote you the reply you can post up?

Got to feel for agents, I wonder if some of them are wondering what they have got into, especially as Ineos seem to want to hide from any direct contact with their customers.

I'm sure you'll keep us posted but who is he?

He was the head of VIP deliveries, no reply yet so perhaps he’s moved? Confirmation was with customer services, by phone, who confirmed full 13 pin plug. Also confirmed power inverter was no longer being fitted, that annoyed me but I decided to continue and paid the next £2050. I nearly cancelled when ineos reneged on the Thatcham 1 qualification. With hindsight I wish I had trusted my instincts on Ineos Automotive

. JT Hughes have been excellent, though most of the time in the same boat as me!

DCPU · Jun 14, 2023

So dug out my Brian James Operator's handbook as it was off for a service today and noticed with schematic which is probably helpful to this thread:

And had an interesting conversation with the trailer dealer who told me the wiring looms for trailer sockets were bought as 7 core, 10 core or 13 core and it was quite common for the unscrupulous towbar fitters to quote for a 13 pin plug but only use 7 core cable to obtain a price advantage over their competitors.

Also the 13 core cable was quite a bit more expensive.

So did Ineos always intend to do this, or the buyer bought the wrong cable because the engineer did not specify the 13 core, or the cost engineer down spec'd it to help hit his KPI?

PBD · Jun 15, 2023

They sat round a table and cut corners on this and loads of other issues!

Zimbo80 · Jun 19, 2023

bakepl said:
On an aside, and you may have answered this in another thread, do you have any power to your 'Nato' two pin plug, I read somewhere some people had no power at all?

You have to activate switch on overhead panel for this to have power

DCPU · Jun 19, 2023

Zimbo80 said:
You have to activate switch on overhead panel for this to have power

Yes, but even having done this, the circuit is not energised for those without the integrated winch fitted.

If you stand inside the rear doors on the right, you can hear the Albright relay "clunk" when someone turns the 500A switch on.

DenisM · Jul 22, 2023

13 pin to 7 pin flat plug/ Anderson plugs
When collecting the vehicle the other day, the agent advised that Ineos Australia are proposing to offer a conversion from the 13 pin to 7 pin flat plug common in Australia. Another option will be a heavy duty Anderson-type connector along side the 7-pin connector for caravan and trailer connection....
He also mentioned that DIY (infotainment) software upgrades were under active consideration to reduce the need for multiple vehicles requiring constant visits to smaller dealerships for minor fixes. I'm supposing this might be accomplished via the data USB sockets located in the cubby.
Whatever, they're both welcome developments.

AnD3rew · Jul 22, 2023

DenisM said:
13 pin to 7 pin flat plug/ Anderson plugs
When collecting the vehicle the other day, the agent advised that Ineos Australia are proposing to offer a conversion from the 13 pin to 7 pin flat plug common in Australia. Another option will be a heavy duty Anderson-type connector along side the 7-pin connector for caravan and trailer connection....
He also mentioned that DIY (infotainment) software upgrades were under active consideration to reduce the need for multiple vehicles requiring constant visits to smaller dealerships for minor fixes. I'm supposing this might be accomplished via the data USB sockets located in the cubby.
Whatever, they're both welcome developments.

Brilliant if true

Tom109 · Jul 22, 2023

DenisM said:
13 pin to 7 pin flat plug/ Anderson plugs
When collecting the vehicle the other day, the agent advised that Ineos Australia are proposing to offer a conversion from the 13 pin to 7 pin flat plug common in Australia. Another option will be a heavy duty Anderson-type connector along side the 7-pin connector for caravan and trailer connection....
He also mentioned that DIY (infotainment) software upgrades were under active consideration to reduce the need for multiple vehicles requiring constant visits to smaller dealerships for minor fixes. I'm supposing this might be accomplished via the data USB sockets located in the cubby.
Whatever, they're both welcome developments.

I've wondered what will be offered in NA, as the 13-pin is not standard. We use a 7-pin round.

ADVAW8S · Jul 22, 2023

Tom109 said:
I've wondered what will be offered in NA, as the 13-pin is not standard. We use a 7-pin round.

They can do a 13 pin round and US buys a 13 to 7 pin adapter. There around 20 bucks.

DCPU · Jul 22, 2023

DenisM said:
He also mentioned that DIY (infotainment) software upgrades were under active consideration to reduce the need for multiple vehicles requiring constant visits to smaller dealerships for minor fixes. I'm supposing this might be accomplished via the data USB sockets located in the cubby.

It's interesting to note what is available via the full CAD-IT suite of tools:

AnD3rew · Jul 22, 2023

DenisM said:
13 pin to 7 pin flat plug/ Anderson plugs
When collecting the vehicle the other day, the agent advised that Ineos Australia are proposing to offer a conversion from the 13 pin to 7 pin flat plug common in Australia. Another option will be a heavy duty Anderson-type connector along side the 7-pin connector for caravan and trailer connection....
He also mentioned that DIY (infotainment) software upgrades were under active consideration to reduce the need for multiple vehicles requiring constant visits to smaller dealerships for minor fixes. I'm supposing this might be accomplished via the data USB sockets located in the cubby.
Whatever, they're both welcome developments.

Just asked my agent and he said he was not aware of any of this.

Bobby Mac · Aug 8, 2023

I got one of these which arrived today from the Sunny Coast - good solid twist in connection and works perfectly for my 7pin large connector.

MarkH · Aug 8, 2023

Bobby Mac said:
I got one of these which arrived today from the Sunny Coast - good solid twist in connection and works perfectly for my 7pin large connector.

If you get a chance can you post a photo of it plugged into the Euro on the vehicle.

Bobby Mac · Aug 8, 2023

Sorry Mark - not the best photo - trying to take photos in the dark - anyway should give you the idea - very secure and neat.

MarkH · Aug 8, 2023

Bobby Mac said:
Sorry Mark - not the best photo - trying to take photos in the dark - anyway should give you the idea - very secure and neat

Great thanks, that was quick.

Yes it looks ideal, I can see now how the Euro cover sits on that top piece, I couldn't work out what that bit was for.

Geez, not a lot of room for the R-clip there on the hitch pin.

CountyV8 · Aug 8, 2023

DCPU said:
Yes, but even having done this, the circuit is not energised for those without the integrated winch fitted.

If you stand inside the rear doors on the right, you can hear the Albright relay "clunk" when someone turns the 500A switch on.

Can. you get your NATO plug to work in carwash mode I can

Max · Aug 9, 2023

Bobby Mac said:
Sorry Mark - not the best photo - trying to take photos in the dark - anyway should give you the idea - very secure and neat.

Hi have you actually used your trailer?... I have a 13 to 7 flat and I am receiving a Tail Light Error but the lights are fine...might have to call the agents on this one...anyone suffering the same in Oz?

bakepl · Aug 9, 2023

Max said:
Hi have you actually used your trailer?... I have a 13 to 7 flat and I am receiving a Tail Light Error but the lights are fine...might have to call the agents on this one...anyone suffering the same in Oz?

Is it a quality 13 to 7? cheapy ones don't have the left and right side/tail light diodes in place.. causes a fault..

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