Air Conditioning (AC) not working properly / loosing gas

Logsplitter · Jul 24, 2023

pieter1475 said:
Facebook is a classic for bad spelling generally . Not just lose /loose. You're not alone in gritting your teeth.

Don’t check my posts for spelling and grammar or you’ll have no teeth left

bigleonski · Jul 24, 2023

Logsplitter said:
Don’t check my posts for spelling and grammar or you’ll have no teeth left

Let alone the monstrosities creted by fat fingers on iphone keyboards.

Eric · Jul 24, 2023

bigleonski said:
Let alone the monstrosities creted by fat fingers on iphone keyboards.

My auto correct creates words I don't even want. So I spent my time going back and correcting my auto correct

Oskar · Jul 25, 2023

Eric said:
Before re-filling as part of the process they should have done a pressure test fist.

They did the pressure test. All was ok. You are absolutely right.

Beormund · Jul 25, 2023

My worry is there is a design flaw in the A/C system - will the same fault keep reoccurring?

Eric · Jul 25, 2023

Oskar said:
They did the pressure test. All was ok. You are absolutely righ

Beormund said:
My worry is there is a design flaw in the A/C system - will the same fault keep reoccurring?

If any vehicles had been standing for months without the a/c being used I could understand the system losing pressure until recharged and brought into use.

Beormund · Jul 25, 2023

Eric said:
If any vehicles had been standing for months without the a/c being used I could understand the system losing pressure until recharged and brought into use.

But mine was recharged 10 days ago.

Eric · Jul 25, 2023

Beormund said:
But mine was recharged 10 days ago.

Which then begs the question ( if they pressure tested it) are they using the right refrigerant gas.

DCPU · Jul 25, 2023

Oskar said:
My AC is working now. They just did refill it. I hope this was the fix. I worry that there is a leak they still have not fixed somewhere.

Eric said:
Before re-filling as part of the process they should have done a pressure test fist.

Oskar said:
They did the pressure test. All was ok. You are absolutely right.

How could the pressure test be OK but they refilled it?

Eric · Jul 25, 2023

DCPU said:
How could the pressure test be OK but they refilled it?

If a vehicle has been standing/ac not used for a very long time then the seals dry will gradually loose the pressure over a long period of time. But a short duration pressure test is unlikely to register a very very small drop or lose in pressure. ( a bit like a very slow puncture can take weeks to impact on a tyre) . Having done a pressure test ( because they have to exhale all the gas first and use a fluorescent tracing dye) they have to refill it. Once full and up to pressure and the ac used the seals get lubricated and cease passing gas. This is why all manufacturers advise you to run you ac once a week to keep the seal lubricated.

DCPU · Jul 25, 2023

I didn't appreciate that they degassed for the dye.

Oskar · Jul 26, 2023

I will keep you posted. @DCPU I had the same question for the dealer.

alvan · Jul 30, 2023

My Grenadier a/c experience.
Neglecting the usual problem of the random warning lights (which I have now learned to manage by delaying the time between turning the key and starting or, if necessary, restarting), the only real problem, and not negligible considering the current temperatures, is the air conditioning. After one week, and after praising its efficiency, when compared to that of the Def or my old 911 turbo, it stopped working.
There is no Ineos direct assistance on my island, but with great willingness, I was allowed to rely on BMW assistance, which is very efficient in my city.
The plant turned out to be completely empty. Regassed with added tracer. Ten days later it still works fine but, as you can see from the attached photo, there is actually a leak. Ineos promises to send a technician to repair it but it would be useful to have an idea of which component might be leaking.
Taking into account that BMW assistance obviously does not want to disassemble anything, in your experience, from the photo, what could you attribute the loss to?
All the tightenings have been checked, I am also told that a new emptying could take quite some time, bearing in mind that the car was cleared at the factory on 31st January 2023…

TIA

Jean Mercier · Jul 30, 2023

alvan said:
My Grenadier a/c experience.
Neglecting the usual problem of the random warning lights (which I have now learned to manage by delaying the time between turning the key and starting or, if necessary, restarting), the only real problem, and not negligible considering the current temperatures, is the air conditioning. After one week, and after praising its efficiency, when compared to that of the Def or my old 911 turbo, it stopped working.
There is no Ineos direct assistance on my island, but with great willingness, I was allowed to rely on BMW assistance, which is very efficient in my city.
The plant turned out to be completely empty. Regassed with added tracer. Ten days later it still works fine but, as you can see from the attached photo, there is actually a leak. Ineos promises to send a technician to repair it but it would be useful to have an idea of which component might be leaking.
Taking into account that BMW assistance obviously does not want to disassemble anything, in your experience, from the photo, what could you attribute the loss to?
All the tightenings have been checked, I am also told that a new emptying could take quite some time, bearing in mind that the car was cleared at the factory on 31st January 2023…
View attachment 7821726TIA

This seems to be the same or a similar problem as I have.
My dealer told me there is a small crack in the low pressure pipe, the pipe you are showing.
I am curious how fast Ineos will send a technician.
I am already waiting 4 weeks now, my dealer ordered a new pipe!
I begin to become very angry at Hedin: no feedback at all, neither concerning my other major problem (leaking safari windows gutter) although I diagnosed it!

MarkH · Jul 30, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
I begin to become very angry at Hedin: no feedback at all, neither concerning my other major problem (leaking safari windows gutter) although I diagnosed it!

Some of these dealers need to be put on notice by Ineos, but need owner feedback so they're aware of what's going on.

MalcolmT · Jul 30, 2023

trobex said:
We all know that. But this is about the 5th post in a week people have posted about rubbing houses, holes in some etc. I am planning to do a 18,000km trip in my Gren... I'm thinking I'll apply two rolls to make sure!

I would take 2 or 3 to be safe

Eric · Jul 30, 2023

MarkH said:
Some of these dealers need to be put on notice by Ineos, but need owner feedback so they're aware of what's going on.

The problem is I suspect that "duff" dealers sell other marques as well, making plenty of profit on those marques, and see the Grenadier still as a lose leader till they start coming through in sufficient numbers to make significant profits. The dealers that are looking for long term stability ( family or specialist off road) will be the better dealers as opposed to those run by accountants and bean counters.

alvan · Jul 30, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
This seems to be the same or a similar problem as I have.
My dealer told me there is a small crack in the low pressure pipe, the pipe you are showing.
I am curious how fast Ineos will send a technician.
I am already waiting 4 weeks now, my dealer ordered a new pipe!
I begin to become very angry at Hedin: no feedback at all, neither concerning my other major problem (leaking safari windows gutter) although I diagnosed it!

If they will send a technician - and I have no reason to doubt of it - I guess that depend on the particular and momentary situation of a big island (little less than two millions people e some places particularly frequented by wealthy people, interesting potential Grenadier owners) without a commercial and assistance Ineos presence. I feel my self - and I say that in positive sense - as a tester, and i feel that Ineos think of me in a similar way, because I actively followed the project since the appearance of the logo on a simple page in Internet. I hopo to be able to let you know of the next steps...

Beormund · Aug 1, 2023

Returned to Jardine Sevenoaks for the third time today only to be told two and half hours later that the A/C hose they replaced a few weeks ago has the same fault / leak. I'm going to have strong words with INEOS tomorrow. This is unacceptable on a car costing this much. I spend more time travelling to my agent and waiting around than I do actually using the vehicle for what it was intended. Why didn't INEOS check the part was OK before sending it out? Or if it was OK when it was sent out what is the cause of it failing so soon afterwards? Something is very wrong with their A/C system and or supplier.

ECrider · Aug 1, 2023

Beormund said:
Returned to Jardine Sevenoaks for the third time today only to be told two and half hours later that the A/C hose they replaced a few weeks ago has the same fault / leak. I'm going to have strong words with INEOS tomorrow. This is unacceptable on a car costing this much. I spend more time travelling to my agent and waiting around than I do actually using the vehicle for what it was intended. Why didn't INEOS check the part was OK before sending it out? Or if it was OK when it was sent out what is the cause of it failing so soon afterwards? Something is very wrong with their A/C system and or supplier.

That's very frustrating, hope you get it fixed for good asap.
A lot of time wasted.

Which hose is it that has failed twice, any description/part no? - looks like same/not same pipe as Jean's and Alvan's?

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