Towing Again

Del · May 19, 2023

CountyV8 said:
Here. is Ineos part number GRA-4A22-006640 £136+VAT

Can you provide a link - where can I find this etc.

DCPU · May 19, 2023

PBD said:
I looked at this and the hole for the locking pin is too far back

Measurements off mine:

From back of flange:

DCPU · May 21, 2023

DCPU said:
I should note that there is a degree of free play when fitted. In both the horizontal & vertical it's a few mm each way. It's less that on my Dixon Bate adjustable however. On a similar setup in the past, there was a tapped thread for a small bolt and a locknut to take up some of this movement. I'm not sure if it worked or not, given the force involved?

So, I was having another look today at this free play issue and noticed that there's a nut welded underneath the Vertical Towing Interface that takes an M10 thread:

And if you wind a bolt in:

It pops out inside the hitch receiver:

With a suitable lock nut, I think I may have found Ineos's solution to free play. I just need to find out if the vehicle mine came off has such a bolt in place and I missed it; or whether anyone ordering the part can tell me if it's included with it?

And as everyone likes Wera:

MarkH · May 21, 2023

DCPU said:
With a suitable lock nut, I think I may have found Ineos's solution to free play.

They're only designed to keep the hitch quiet when NOT towing. If you use it while towing the forces involved can 'mushroom' the bolt inside the receiver & you'll never get it out. Better to use shims. https://www.roofracksgalore.com.au/...-wFKPpZI8EP0kRJ8vcGyw5rTZNC3b2ixoCDOoQAvD_BwE

DCPU · May 21, 2023

MarkH said:
They're only designed to keep the hitch quiet when NOT towing. If you use it while towing the forces involved can 'mushroom' the bolt inside the receiver & you'll never get it out.

Yes, I queried the forces in an earlier post, but hadn't thought of this effect.

MarkH said:
Better to use shims. https://www.roofracksgalore.com.au/...-wFKPpZI8EP0kRJ8vcGyw5rTZNC3b2ixoCDOoQAvD_BwE

Thanks, I've never seen these before, but I can see the sense of them. Will try and see if there's a UK or maybe Amazon seller.

MarkH · May 21, 2023

DCPU said:
Thanks, I've never seen these before, but I can see the sense of them. Will try and see if there's a UK or maybe Amazon seller.

In the past I've made my own shims up out of thin sheet metal or just cutting up a coke can. There's also anti-rattle devices that'll do the same job. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BMFW7TGZ/?tag=globalgrena0b-20

AZGrenadier · May 22, 2023

The 2" receiver drop hitch is standard towing equipment in the US. Look for any hitch that is listed for a class 3 or class 4 receiver. You can also cut some inches off the end of the receiver if it doesn't slide in far enough. I have done this in the past. Of course I don't know what the laws are in Europe.

AWo · May 22, 2023

tartan shepherd said:
Only 50mm ball type approved in Europe - unless you are in Military Procurement

True.

Check UN-ECE R55 if you would like to know more: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:42010X0828(01)

Cheers
AWo

CountyV8 · May 22, 2023

AWo said:
True.

Check UN-ECE R55 if you would like to know more: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:42010X0828(01)

Cheers
AWo

So how do we Brits tow our plant trailers etc and equipment that requires a pintle hitch.

AWo · May 22, 2023

Check the British regulations if the UN ECE doesn't apply to you anymore.

AWo

CountyV8 · May 22, 2023

AWo said:
Check the British regulations if the UN ECE doesn't apply to you anymore.

AWo

Oh forgot that bit .

DCPU · May 22, 2023

AWo said:
True.

Check UN-ECE R55 if you would like to know more: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:42010X0828(01)

Cheers
AWo

Bizarrely, the very document you reference proves your first statement is rubbish.

DCPU · May 22, 2023

AWo said:
Check the British regulations if the UN ECE doesn't apply to you anymore.

AWo

So how did we do it when it did?

[By the way it still does apply...]

DCPU · May 22, 2023

Just a back to back comparison of the relative towing heights of these two:

I commented on the Ineos/Brink previously that the R clip was a very loose fit, that and the fact that Dixon Bate fit two to each pin; having tried them back to back, they are poles apart. The Brink R clip is going in the bin and I'll use one of the Dixon Bate ones. They are the same diameter.

From a visual point of view the Brink should be an upgrade with it's double winding. All that I can think is that it's actually a size too big for that pin diameter; but who makes that kind of mistake...

DCPU · May 26, 2023

Another Defender/Grenadier comparison, courtesy of a photo from @Cheshire cat:

DaveB · May 26, 2023

DCPU said:
Another Defender/Grenadier comparison, courtesy of a photo from @Cheshire cat:

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That Defender looks so much smaller

Krabby · May 26, 2023

DaveB said:
That Defender looks so much smaller

Better?

(Bit of a hatchet job if I do say so myself)

globalgregors · May 26, 2023

Krabby said:
Better?

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(Bit of a hatchet job if I do say so myself)

Cheshire cat · May 26, 2023

Krabby said:
Better?

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(Bit of a hatchet job if I do say so myself)

Love it.

beanohallett · May 31, 2023

Krabby said:
Better?

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(Bit of a hatchet job if I do say so myself)

looking very smart ! a good looking virtual shorty !!

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