NATO Plug,Socket

Eric · Apr 20, 2023

DCPU said:
I'd be interested in knowing anything more about this as I've not heard it before and my agent suggested the issue was just the initial supply was for the lower S rating of 250kg and soon swapped out for the higher 350kg rated items.

That was my understanding. I can't believe you need any further approval to attach anything to a tow ball as long as the s value isn't exceeded.

ECrider · Apr 20, 2023

DCPU said:
think the go to company for replacement Land Rover wheel nuts has always been these guys:

Have used Wrington - very good products.

PBD · Apr 20, 2023

DCPU said:
I'd be interested in knowing anything more about this as I've not heard it before and my agent suggested the issue was just the initial supply was for the lower S rating of 250kg and soon swapped out for the higher 350kg rated items.

Mine is clearly marked 350kg. It may be that it is the correct one then, will contact dealer later.

Tomo · Apr 20, 2023

PBD said:
Last Saturday I went to see my Trialmaster. It has both the NATO and the Eu 13 pin plugs fitted and wired in . Tow ball has to be replaced because even though it has a 350 kg approved load, it is not approved for cycle racks etc. I ordered the tow pack electrics and 50mm tow ball etc for the UK and that is how it was delivered.
I also checked the locking wheel nuts out, I don’t think they are fit for steel wheels, they are clearly made to fit the alloy wheels so told JT Hughes not to fit them.
Looks great and can’t wait to get it!

I am also in Leicester, can I ask which dealer you are using, I assume it is Sandicliffe in Nottingham ?

AnD3rew · Apr 20, 2023

DenisM said:
FWIW...I'd check with the State Transport Regs... such spacers may be illegal... Spacers can increase the (shear?) loading on the wheel studs because of the spacer gap between the flange and body of the wheel. I (reluctantly) used spacers (10mm) on a camper trailer to accommodate electric brakes... which is where I came across the Dept. Motor Transport references to their use on cars.

Also, I seem to remember some engineering advice back in the long dim past where it was good practice to have several "excess" threads clear of the fastener once it had been tightened to spec. I'm sure there are others better versed in these matters who maybe able to clarify...

Not legal anywhere in Australia as far as I am aware m

DCPU · Apr 29, 2023

PBD said:
Mine is clearly marked 350kg. It may be that it is the correct one then, will contact dealer later.

Well I opened the Brink box in the back of mine yesterday:

Kit includes the bolts, a pair of shake proof washers & plastic dome covers ~ no nuts.

The towball itself is marked:

And seems to have a slightly larger offset from the mating surface than standard ones I have in my workshop:

It looked identical to the ones shown me by the agent later that were to be scrapped for having the wrong profile on the ball face and being uncompatible with certain types of bike carrier. So that message was consistent with what others have been told.

The agents are having to use the warranty returns process to reorder a correct towball.

PBD · Apr 29, 2023

DCPU said:
Well I opened the box in the back of mine yesterday:

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Kit includes the bolts, a pair of shake proof washers & plastic dome covers ~ no nuts. View attachment 7809839 View attachment 7809838
The towball itself is marked:
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And seems to have a slightly larger offset from the mating surface than standard ones I have in my workshop:
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From memory on my visit to mine two weeks ago, I think the mounting plate that the two ball is bolted to, has threaded holes.
I don’t remember any locking nuts for the back of the plate either. I do remember thinking that the bolts looked a bit short which made me look at the plate.

DCPU · Apr 29, 2023

Yes, I think I can see threads in the holes in some of my photos.

In all photos where the detail is visible there have been nuts used. Initially, with the bolt "reversed", flanged nuts:

But more recently also in bolt "forward" mode:

DCPU · May 8, 2023

DenisM said:
FWIW...I'd check with the State Transport Regs... such spacers may be illegal... Spacers can increase the (shear?) loading on the wheel studs because of the spacer gap between the flange and body of the wheel. I (reluctantly) used spacers (10mm) on a camper trailer to accommodate electric brakes... which is where I came across the Dept. Motor Transport references to their use on cars.

Also, I seem to remember some engineering advice back in the long dim past where it was good practice to have several "excess" threads clear of the fastener once it had been tightened to spec. I'm sure there are others better versed in these matters who maybe able to clarify...

Wheel spacers apparently involved in this incident:

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etbandit · May 12, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Australian update: NATO to Anderson adapter

I have had an Australian Co contact me to work on a solution. I have also contacted my INEOS Dealer to get involved (they are interested). Sorry to be vague, but this only happened yesterday and we are working on details and a NATO to Anderson adapter to test.

They are also working on a Deutsch DTP plug kit customised for INEOS users (I will post info to the Deutsch DTP thread in due course). The CEO asked for some feedback recently so I gave it and the Co. followed up on both matters!

Great work! Keep us updated. Would certainly be interested in both the NATO to Anderson and Deutsch adaptors.

Francois · May 12, 2023

etbandit said:
Great work! Keep us updated. Would certainly be interested in both the NATO to Anderson and Deutsch adaptors.

Good morning

etbandit said:
Great work! Keep us updated. Would certainly be interested in both the NATO to Anderson and Deutsch adaptors.

Good morning from South Africa. I have enquired from IG Cape Town for such a NATO male plug to fit the NATO female at the rear of the IG, but was unsuccessful. Does anyone in SA knows where to obtain this plug?

frankkk · May 13, 2023

Francois said:
Good morning

Good morning from South Africa. I have enquired from IG Cape Town for such a NATO male plug to fit the NATO female at the rear of the IG, but was unsuccessful. Does anyone in SA knows where to obtain this plug?

TVH is HELLA distributor in ZA:

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The HELLA Part No's for the standard plug can be found on page one in this thread..there are different versions of the plug though.

For continuous use on rough tracks, it has been suggested to use the version with a "safe-ring" a thread at the plug, to secure it to the socket, like this one:

You´ll find a few more variants of the plug..HELLA RRP of the one in the picture is $250,-, it can be found at 150,- on the likes of eBay. The part no:

8JA 001 931-051

Here is another one, without the dirt traps:

replace -051 with -061 for the parts no.

Originally the system was designed for stationary use, it has developed into something more versatile those days.

Quite expensive at full MIL spec but outlasting the vehicle.

TheDocAUS · May 13, 2023

etbandit said:
Great work! Keep us updated. Would certainly be interested in both the NATO to Anderson and Deutsch adaptors.

Deustch Kits already listed here:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/deutsch-dtp-plugs.12411784/post-1333170167

PBD · May 13, 2023

Just thinking about trickle charging mine whilst it’s standing outside. Could the nato be used?

TheDocAUS · May 13, 2023

PBD said:
Just thinking about trickle charging mine whilst it’s standing outside. Could the nato be used?

You would need to know how your car is wired. You may only be able to trickle charge the aux battery.

I would try and wire an Anderson plug into any onboard charger to get all its safety features.

Burki · May 13, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Here are images and specs of both female (installed) and male (attach to the trailers/caravans cable) plugs in the INEOS Grenadier in Australia (it appears to be the same globally). Images and specs from Connector-Tech ALS' website.

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Elke NATO Panel Receptacle 2 Pole Female Contacts 50mm2 OLV GRN with Screw Cap

VG 96917 A002A NSN 5935-12-308-5019

www.ctals.com.au

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Elke NATO Plug 2 Pole Male Contacts 50mm2 OLV GRN with Screw Ring

VG 96917 Suits insulation diameter of 13.0mm. Connector to suit INEOS Grenadier rear-mounted winch power receptacle.

www.ctals.com.au

did somebody test the NATO plug already with permanent 100A? I mean the plug is good for 150A+ but does the cabling within the Grenny fit for 100A permanently. How is the cable diameter?

TheDocAUS · May 13, 2023

The rear NATO plug is wired, from the factory, for 500 amps to run the rear winch (if you select that option) So it can handle 100 amps.

Eric · May 13, 2023

PBD said:
Just thinking about trickle charging mine whilst it’s standing outside. Could the nato be used?

If it is the vehicle battery you want to trickle charge and if you have a 13 pin as well why not charge it through that.

PBD · May 13, 2023

Eric said:
If it is the vehicle battery you want to trickle charge and if you have a 13 pin as well why not charge it through that.

Yes Eric the duel batteries, if it could be done via the 13 pin all good. I just want a waterproof access so I can have the charger in the garage and the grenny outside.

MarkH · May 13, 2023

I'll probably fit an 175A Anderson plug near the NATO and use the NATO's cabling - the NATO will just stay in place disconnected. The NATO's cabling is 50mm², the Anderson takes up to 53mm². It'll power the DC charger in the van and portable air compressor. Anderson is the cheaper way to go.

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