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I do a lot of 3 plus hour drives, probably 20,000km a year of my driving is in that range
They dont actually make left hand or right hand drive engines
Good to stop and stretch. Prevent DVT.I do a lot of 3 plus hour drives, probably 20,000km a year of my driving is in that range
Ahh Jim . . .
I am going to need to with my left knee bent up a little.. haha!
Pair of these plus a pair of thongs should circumvent the need for subcutaneous heparin prophylaxis
I tend to drink a lot of water so regular stops are not optional regardless of the fact the vehicle can be hosed out.
First time sitting in one today at Avalon.
Yeah, it would be a deal breaker for me too if I was looking at a Right Hand Drive (RHD). Many folks on the forum seem okay with it, and I think the footrest would provide a great sense of stability when doing technical off-road driving - a great way to brace yourself when getting tossed around. But for longer drives, I have to stretch out my left leg. I'm 6' 2" with long legs. My wife is 5' 10" and I don't think she will be happy in the passenger seat of the Grenadier. She really needs to stretch her legs on long drives or she gets hip pain.
The footwell would be ok while 4wding but it’s not ergonomic for long trips. I could accept this if you had room to stretch the left leg somewhere but the footwell is incredibly tight. Bloody hell, mostly everything else seems well designed and built.Just snapped a couple of photos from my Tacoma, which is about the size of a Hilux.
I'm 6' 2" with Euro size 45 feet (11 American). Left foot on the dead pedal, right foot on the gas pedal.
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The Tacoma is not considered a big vehicle here in the U.S. - but way more room than in a Grenadier
On the other hand, the seating position is much better in the Grenadier, and the seats are way nicer than in my truck.
Fwiw Stick, I'm with you on this.Just snapped a couple of photos from my Tacoma, which is about the size of a Hilux.
I'm 6' 2" with Euro size 45 feet (11 American). Left foot on the dead pedal, right foot on the gas pedal.
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The Tacoma is not considered a big vehicle here in the U.S. - but way more room than in a Grenadier
On the other hand, the seating position is much better in the Grenadier, and the seats are way nicer than in my truck.
It’s not a matter of “the faithful have spoken” it’s a matter of the design is what it is and no matter how much people complain, the engineering involved with changing it now means no matter how much people complain it isn’t changing on this platform. So now it’s just a matter of an individual decision as to whether you think you can live with it. I have decided I think I can and so am going forward. Others will likely make a different decision and thats up to them.
The footwell is the one thing I'm going to test on a couple big trips the day I collect the Gren - and either sell or keep it based on that.
Looking at possible obtrusions into cabins is one of the early design phase QA checks, the first thing you do, when designing cars/boats/planes (old man is a boat builder so in CAD models this stuff is always overlaid in, checked now in 3D models etc etc). It was a design oversight and it got away from them (was ignored). It was picked up in the early prototypes and all they had to do was adjust ""SOMETHING" 75mm as that's the offset in plane from pedal to rest. Problem solved. It is VERY annoying that this anticipated vehicle has such an obvious f*** up. Sorry to say but anyone accepting this as 'ok or suitable' is blind or numb in a few hip joints and we got to call out some of the rose-tinted glasses from time to time... it will become apparent when you're not doing a 15-minute hilly run, and instead, a 1hr+ straight road stint.
I feel sorry for you that at this stage of the wait, you are not convinced...I personally think it is a waste of time and effort for you now...I would have to be convinced before purchasing and not waste any more of my time, writing, reading and wondering...wait for a production car and test driving that is what I will be doing...I am 99% there...happy motoring
The Grenadier has a long engine (I-6) and a long transmission (8-speed auto) tucked within a 115” wheelbase. It creates an intrusion into the cabin. There is a reason why auto designers like V-6 engines from a space-utilization standpoint: They are shorter, and therefore, allow more room in the cabin - especially the cabin footwell. I personally prefer an inline-6 compared to a V-6, but every choice creates a compromise somewhere else.
Sorry, I thought this was meant to be a joke post when I first read it, and wondered whether it should be in the Daily Joke thread on this forum.
I agree it was a design oversight, I have heard that the BMW engine wasn’t always the firm choice and it’s possible that a lot of the chassis design and dimensions had already been locked. But whatever the reason it is what it is. Changing it would require either moving the engine forward, moving the cabin back or raising the seating position or redesigning the whole exhaust side of the engine including DPF, turbos, etc. allnof these have huge costs and flow on effects across the vehicle and its dynamics and capabilities. It’s pretty clear that by the time they realised it migtn’t be ideal they were too far down the track to go back.
