Grenadier winch bumper uk vs australia

Davman · Dec 21, 2022

No - Ineos are now saying that the front towing plate is not robust enough to use as a front mounting point for the portable winch. They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch. ( In Oz at least)

DCPU · Dec 21, 2022

Davman said:
They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch.

* subject to clarification on what towball arrangements are compatible...

And I think you have to buy one of the towing kits to get the "Vertical Towing Interface" into which the portable winch locates.

DaveB · Dec 21, 2022

AnD3rew said:
I think you have been given the wrong information, I think you have to have the front towing plate to use the porttable winch at the front. The front towing plate is incompatible with the mounted permanent front winch.

I agree

AnD3rew · Dec 21, 2022

Davman said:
No - Ineos are now saying that the front towing plate is not robust enough to use as a front mounting point for the portable winch. They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch. ( In Oz at least)

Wow, that is a stuff up.

globalgregors · Dec 21, 2022

Krabby said:
Is it possible to relocate the license plate so it will not interfere?

I think a couple of stand offs would be the easiest fix, if it’s even an issue

stickshifter · Dec 21, 2022

DCPU said:
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And I thought Ram was a little excessive with more than a dozen front springs! Do they offer "before dinner" and "after dinner" versions of these springs?

AZGrenadier · Dec 21, 2022

All fronts are the same on the 90s (REB500200 driver and REB500220) and there is a 150kg difference in the models. Rear springs are different. Surprisingly the 110HD front springs are the same as the 90 rears. The 110 uses all the same fronts as well except for the HD but that has a gross weight of 450k more.

emax · Dec 22, 2022

stickshifter said:
Do they offer "before dinner" and "after dinner" versions of these springs?

I thought of something similar "before pissing and after pissing".

Shopkeep · Dec 22, 2022

Davman said:
No - Ineos are now saying that the front towing plate is not robust enough to use as a front mounting point for the portable winch. They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch. ( In Oz at least)

Is this a physical limitation or something to do with Australian Standards? I have always thought rear tow assemblies fitted to utes here in Oz look to be over engineered, maybe Ineos found that what was thought appropriate for a worldwide market does not meet some obscure Australian Standard regarding front winch/tow mounts???

DaveB · Dec 22, 2022

Shopkeep said:
Is this a physical limitation or something to do with Australian Standards? I have always thought rear tow assemblies fitted to utes here in Oz look to be over engineered, maybe Ineos found that what was thought appropriate for a worldwide market does not meet some obscure Australian Standard regarding front winch/tow mounts???

Maybe the front tow hook isn't rated to 3,500kg

Shopkeep · Dec 22, 2022

Maybe the extra 50kg they added to the GVM in Oz has come back to bite them in the butt (or in this case the crotch).

DCPU · Dec 22, 2022

Davman said:
No - Ineos are now saying that the front towing plate is not robust enough to use as a front mounting point for the portable winch. They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch. ( In Oz at least)

Notwithstanding it would be a possible to use it on the front attached to a recovery point, a bridle off the recovery points, or a double line pull using both. The biggest limitation out of the box may be the length of power cable to plug in.

Perhaps not ideal to some, but if you are actually stuck...

Brookers78 · Dec 22, 2022

Davman said:
No - Ineos are now saying that the front towing plate is not robust enough to use as a front mounting point for the portable winch. They will be saying from this point forward that the portable winch is only to be used on the rear tow hitch. ( In Oz at least)

This is correct.
We have only tested the portable winch on the rear. We were only recently asked to look at using it on the front and it is a definite no, the front reciver is definitely not robust enough to use the portable winch.

CountyV8 · Dec 22, 2022

Brookers78 said:
This is correct.
We have only tested the portable winch on the rear. We were only recently asked to look at using it on the front and it is a definite no, the front reciver is definitely not robust enough to use the portable winch.

But strong enough to tow and self recover??????

Logsplitter · Dec 22, 2022

CountyV8 said:
But strong enough to tow and self recover??????

I presume that there will be a weight limit for towing or manoeuvring using the front tow hitch that is below the 3500kg limit of the portable winch. And I guess for self recovery the two recovery points under the bumper will be a stronger option than the front towing interface

Brookers78 · Dec 22, 2022

CountyV8 said:
But strong enough to tow and self recover??????

Yes, it's to do with the way the portable winch extends forwards increasing the leverage on the mount.

CountyV8 · Dec 22, 2022

Brookers78 said:
Yes, it's to do with the way the portable winch extends forwards increasing the leverage on the mount.

So you towed the 3500 KG in there and can't use the front hitch to move it out again .
Does the welder have to come out or is it mounted onto the fairlead bolts?

DaveB · Dec 22, 2022

CountyV8 said:
So you towed the 3500 KG in there and can't use the front hitch to move it out again .
Does the welder have to come out or is it mounted onto the fairlead bolts?

I guess towing 3,500 kg behind a vehicle doing 100kmh might be a little different to pushing/maneuvering a 3,500kg load at 5 kmh in front.
Less dynamic stress.
Rear tow bar & hitch assemblies look something like the picture below (I am sure you know this but others may not) and this would be difficult to duplicate in the front
This MAY be the reason the winch can't hang out the front

DCPU · Dec 23, 2022

For me there might be a big clue in this:

Brookers78 said:
We were only recently asked to look at using it on the front

So an Ineos /Magna engineer was asked to design a front towing point and either was given or decided the design envelope around low speed manoeuvreing/final positioning of a 3,500kg trailer. That's not going to be much force/loading, even on sloped uneven ground.

How many of us have just drilled and bolted a towball to a thin steel bumper (maybe using a load spreading plate at the rear), with not even a fag packet load calculation?

Now someone else wants to look at using the portable winch and it exceeds the current design limits. So maybe they'll look to a redesign to allow the winch to operate from the front. It might just be a different design and not add more weight, or it may add a significant amount of additional weight and prove to be unfeasible.

Maybe there will be two versions in the future. Who wants to carry extra weight if you know you will never winch from there?

bemax · Dec 23, 2022

maybe it is an security issue as well. The crash zone might depend on a structure which is not to strong, so that in case of an accident the energy can still be absorbed in the right way.
But I do not know how the steel bumper behaves in this context anyway.

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