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TahoeGren

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Would something like this help?
I didn’t know about Salts Gone. Will have to give it a try. I’ve been using AMMO’s Boost Anti Salt.
 

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Would something like this help?
Ordered a gallon of it and a pair of 2 gallon sprayers today (one for the saltsgone and one for water).... I may even get froggy and order some P&S Absolute rinseless wash. Ok, that may be too far for me :ROFLMAO:
 

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Where I live, in northern Vermont, ownership of an automobile feels disproportionately expensive to the rest of the world... you definitely NEED snow tires. 17" Nokians are affordable, but for every inch in diameter, they seem to double. My wife's 20" Audi Q5s were shockingly expensive.

Then, add the cost of constant salt-related repairs. As I've recently said on a forum elsewhere, the worst example so far was my 2015 Chevy Silverado 1500. I bought the truck the last day of the month of November, thinking I was all smart with the lease rates. By the 1st of February - with about 2,000 miles on the odometer - the front end started to shake. I took it in to find that both front calipers had seized and warped the rotors. Rotors were covered under warranty; caliper rebuilds were not. $450.00. Similarly, both kids have Foresters and both have had complete brake jobs (one got new brake lines, too) after just 2 and 3 years of ownership. The more expensive of the two was $3,200.00.

Then, add to the cost the corrosion that makes many vehicles like the Silverado a 'disposable item.' According to a buddy who owns a repair shop, my era of Silverado (2015/2016) that have lived in Vermont since new are now uninspectable. That's a $45,000.00 truck that's virtually worthless in just 7-8 years.

Add the cost of storage for those of us with cars we want to keep (for me, classic Land Rovers and an old Saab). They go into storage by mid-October and don't come out until mid-to-late April. That means I get to enjoy them for less than 1/2 of the year.

Then... add mud season. This is the local school bus. It has a 14" lift and 4WD. Swallowed whole. I just love working underneath my cars.

Let's not forget the rodents! Mice are regular visitors to all of our cars. Even though we don't eat and leave bags of snacks, they are attracted to the warmth. And they like to chew wiring harnesses. +$$$ for the number of tows and damage. This is one of the reasons why I love the proper handbrake of a Grenadier... you don't have to have your Audi Q5 dragged out of the garage by a tow truck to have the electronic emergency brake switch actuator harness replaced. I wonder what's so tasty about wiring??

I'm jealous of those that enjoy their vehicles year-round. My Grenadier has 323 miles and one week of use under my belt before putting it away because I want to enjoy it for a while - and at least see how others fare after a winter season or two. If the overall corrosion resistance looks anything like the windscreen surround hardware (all of the black bolt heads were rusty on the dealer lot last February), I have doubts.View attachment 7878645
That’s horrible. I knew the north east use a lot of salt but didn’t realize the impact is that severe.

California still uses salt in my area but less of it. They mix with sand and I’ve read that in some areas they may use brine which would stick and is worse for cars.

My LR4 has quite a lot more visible rust underneath on the frames and suspension parts. Nothing severe enough to be of concern but it sure isn’t pretty. For the Grenadier, I applied a coat of Woolwax. I’ll see in a couple seasons how well it works.
 

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@TahoeGren - I forgot to mention brine... it ensures adherence to automotive components more than it seems to favor asphalt. I'm not convinced it helps in our cold temps, but again, I'm no chemist. Anecdotally, they put it down early yesterday and in short order, Vermont State Police reported 25 accidents on a fairly short stretch of I-89... perhaps it's applied to provide us with the 'aura of effort' to combat something that is naturally occurring and simultaneously inconvenient to commuters. I am, of course, speaking of ice.
 

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I wonder if we will see the results of this

I doubt it. PA stunt at worst, accelerated corrosion resistance testing at best.

Nothing is going to last too long in a salt mine unless it's made of high quality stainless alloy, no matter how much waxoyl you throw at it!
 

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One more thing to add on dedicated snow tires. Had my winter wheels and tires put on earlier this week. If you like a “big tire look” I don’t think you’ll be in luck for dedicated snow tires. 265/70/17 (stock size) was as big as I could find on Blizzak LT’s - same for the Hakko’s. Hakko’s had 275/70/18’s - but not 17’s. I’m just talking about non-studded snow tires. Not sure if anyone found anything else. I’m sure the Blizzaks will work well - it’s just a much tamer look than the steelies and K02’s, so I was hoping to go just a little bigger - but no luck.
 

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I didn’t know about Salts Gone. Will have to give it a try. I’ve been using AMMO’s Boost Anti Salt.
I've been using Salts Gone for the past few years. It gets rid of the salt but don't forget to spray underneath too.
An extending sprayer helps a lot when spraying underneath.
 

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I've been using Salts Gone for the past few years. It gets rid of the salt but don't forget to spray underneath too.
An extending sprayer helps a lot when spraying underneath.
Already ordered it along with a sprayer - glad to find out about it!
 

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One more thing to add on dedicated snow tires. Had my winter wheels and tires put on earlier this week. If you like a “big tire look” I don’t think you’ll be in luck for dedicated snow tires. 265/70/17 (stock size) was as big as I could find on Blizzak LT’s - same for the Hakko’s. Hakko’s had 275/70/18’s - but not 17’s. I’m just talking about non-studded snow tires. Not sure if anyone found anything else. I’m sure the Blizzaks will work well - it’s just a much tamer look than the steelies and K02’s, so I was hoping to go just a little bigger - but no luck.
The Hakkapeliittta LT3 is available in 285/70R17.

I swapped to the non-studded Hakkapeliittta LT3 in 265/70R17. They do look small now that I’m used to the larger tires. I wanted extra clearance to fit the garage with a ski carrier on the roof rack. This is the first time I’ve put on dedicated snow tires. They have much improved traction compared to 3PMSF-rated AT and all-weather tires I’ve driven on before.
 

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The Hakkapeliittta LT3 is available in 285/70R17.

I swapped to the non-studded Hakkapeliittta LT3 in 265/70R17. They do look small now that I’m used to the larger tires. I wanted extra clearance to fit the garage with a ski carrier on the roof rack. This is the first time I’ve put on dedicated snow tires. They have much improved traction compared to 3PMSF-rated AT and all-weather tires I’ve driven on before.
You’re right - I saw they didn’t make it in 275 so just assumed 285 wasn’t an option. Actually FINDING it in a 285, however, might be a bit tough - not sure
 
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