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Why choose a Grenadier?

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It is a pretty important question actually. There are a lot of vehicles available in the market for this price point so why? For me, it is always all about payload and towing numbers. Whatever I drive must be capable of carrying the weight of our weight distribution hitched Airstream trailer. It must have enough power and the right gearing to pull up some long hills and it must handle well when towing. Then, it has to carry some of our gear too. Finally, whatever tow vehicle we own becomes my daily driver so I have to like driving it!
I’ll start with the weight part of the equation. Our trailer has a tongue weight of 880 pounds and our hitch weighs 195 pounds for a total of 1075 pounds. Of course this is before weight distribution. Once I get the weight transferred back to the front of the tow vehicle, the weight is down to about 700 pounds or 67% of the total tongue weight with the remaining being carried by the trailer… That doesn’t seem like a lot but… by the time you add in my wife, our two pups and camping gear, that number can easily rise to 1300 pounds. That is all considered payload and although I have driven in overloaded state before, I try hard not to. So payload is important.
Towing numbers are what most people fixate on and we typically come in at about 6500 to 7000 pounds all in.
Lots of vehicles will pull this weight so it is not a limiting factor most of the time.
Now, let’s look at the vehicles that can actually serve as a tow vehicle for our use. The first choice for many is the ubiquitous American pick up truck in either 1500/150 or 2500/250 flavors. Most, but not all of the trucks available in these sized can easily pull an Airstream like ours. The larger trucks have payload to spare the lighter duty trucks typically have enough and all of them can carry huge volumes of “stuff” in their beds. They are the go to for many people and in fact, I’ve driven 4 of them for something approaching 300,000 total miles.
Some have huge Diesels with incredible torque some have recirculating ball steering, some have independent front suspension and they all make the Grenadier turning radius a joy to behold. My GMC 2500 required an impressive 53’ to make a circle! The more annoying thing for me when towing with any truck is the way they feel with weight distribution dialed in. Even the stoutest pickup frames are unsupported between the back of the cab and the rear so they flex…a lot! Man, do they move and man, can you feel it!
The first thing I noticed when I drove my loaner Grenadier with our Airstream attached was how much more solid the combination felt. It was a huge difference.
A couple of other “issues” with using especially a 2500/250 rated truck. They ride like, well, trucks. Stiff suspension is the order of the day to get these payloads and you feel it over every bump. The trailer can feel every bump too! As soon as I traded my GMC for an F-150, the incidence of open lockers and drawers while towing dropped dramatically. Then there is the modern clean Diesel maintenance/repair cost issue. $200 oil services are stiff but nothing compared to fuel contamination recovery or a common rail fuel pump failure where the entire fuel system must be cleaned and replaced. That job often costs in excess of $10,000!
So, if you are like me and tired of driving pick up trucks what is next? Of course vehicles like the GMC Yukon make great tow vehicles although you’d be surprised at how low the payload can get in some of these.
They have plenty of space behind the second row of seats for storage, a good indecent suspension front and rear, decent drive trains and all of the modern conveniences you could ever desire. A surprising addition to the list is the Porsche Cayenne. Great payload numbers, great power, impeccable handling and braking but not much room in the back. We could easily make it work though and I have always been interested in one. The New Defender has apparently got good towing and payload numbers although I am more than a little frightened by Land Rovers reliability record and the vehicle is not that appealing to me aesthetically.
In the end, once you decide to leave the truck off the list, there are a number of decent choices but in reality, none except the Grenadier and the Cayenne really appeal to me. The Cayenne is a good 40% more expensive, it has not got good resale value, it is expensive to maintain and well the Grenadier is really cool! This is why I have one on order.

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Legendary status and looks brilliant.

After reading and watching how Ineos put this vehicle together, whether it be the legendary, engineering group, engine builder, suspension elite, brake builders, or tyre makers, it had to look good.

I took the gamble or educated guess that it would be good and not without hiccups...I now can't stop driving it (y)
 
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Legendary status and looks brilliant.

After reading and watching how Ineos put this vehicle together, whether it be the legendary, engineering group, engine builder, suspension elite, brake builders, or tyre makers, it had to look good.

I took the gamble or educated guess that it would be good and not without hiccups...I now can't stop driving it (y)
This is exactly where I ended up after driving one for a few hundred miles. I am experienced enough to understand that there is no such thing as a perfect vehicle so I believe that I will be able to roll with the punches. There is simply something about this design that really speaks to me.
 
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Bruce - good thoughtful post. Agreed on all fronts. I’m coming from a gmc 2500 diesel with propride towing a 30’ international airstream with 900 on tongue before the propride. Prior to that an Infiniti QX suv with 25’ international airstream with about 780 on the tongue but no propride.

I sold that entire 2500/30’ airstream train, now have the grenadier, and I’m looking now to get a 25’ airstream again - probably the trade wind. I like that size and floor plan. 23 not as much.

My only concern is the grenadier lacks real power and torque for 12,000-13,000 lbs combined weight. Even my 400hp / 400ft of torque struggled a little here on the long grades in Colorado at altitude.

Have you had the chance to tow your 25’ any real distances yet with the grenadier? Still looking forward to a trip report :)

The frame and infrastructure of the grenadier seem just fine to handle the hitch weight and more importantly the torque stress from the propride with WD applied. So not too concerned there….
 
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I am keeping my 2010 Chevy 2500HD. Mostly just as a farm/hauling truck when sporadically required. But, it does indeed tow much much better than the Gren. Towing a 21' fiberglass Escape trailer, which is not too big or too heavy, but is still noticeable with the Ineos. The Chevy diesel does not even know it's got something attached to it.

If things go according to plan, we're hoping to do a 2-4 week cross country trip next year. Have not yet decided which vehicle would be our hauler. It's a question of more comfort while towing vs., more fun once the trailer is parked at destinations.
 

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I am keeping my 2010 Chevy 2500HD. Mostly just as a farm/hauling truck when sporadically required. But, it does indeed tow much much better than the Gren. Towing a 21' fiberglass Escape trailer, which is not too big or too heavy, but is still noticeable with the Ineos. The Chevy diesel does not even know it's got something attached to it.

If things go according to plan, we're hoping to do a 2-4 week cross country trip next year. Have not yet decided which vehicle would be our hauler. It's a question of more comfort while towing vs., more fun once the trailer is parked at destinations.
I will say that propride hitch makes an incredible difference towing. They are expensive but the engineering doesn’t lie.

That being said you are correct - 7-8,000lbs behind a 2500 diesel is nothing. But it is harsh on the trailer due to heavy sprung rear end. All plus and minuses.
 

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My reasons for getting the Grenadier:

1. I wanted something that I could use on the farm on the weekends.
2. Toyota/Lexus has known engine problems and the recall only covers a short block replacement despite potential complete engine damage on their 6 cylinder models
3. Jeep - Quality control issues along with multiple class action lawsuits regarding structural issues
4. Bronco/Ford - QC issues along with every mom in carpool drives one of these if they can't afford the Range Rover
5. Range Rover - QC issues and zero part availability. A friend of mine took delivery of the EWB Range Rover last year and it's been in the repair shop pending new radiator for 2 months.
6. G Wagon - Pricing is just absurd for the car. Also the radiator is flat out exposed in the front of the vehicle. Take a single hit in the wrong spot and you're buying a new radiator.

There really isn't anything out there at the $80k - $100k that has this vehicles road presence/luxury look. Not to mention the multiple and critical electronic points of failure most newer luxury cars have these days. Honestly this car should be priced matched to the Range Rover defender at the very least and I wouldn't be surprised to see this car starting in the mid-$80k range within a year or two.

I know I've already complained about the power steering whine but it's their first batch and if that's a price I have to pay then I'm happy. Tesla still hasn't figured out how to assemble their vehicles without 1/2 panel gaps everywhere.
 

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I did not want:
1. Something that was a car with a SUv body
2. Something that felt cheap
3. Something that would not last
4. Something that didn't have usable storage space

I did want:
1. Something that would never get stuck
2. Something built with quality components
3. Something that fit me well and was comfortable
4. Something that had great visibility, ( I take photos)

I absolutely did not expect it to be perfect on day one. However I expect mine and many others to still be on the road in 20 years. Its flaws are minimal and its built like a tank compared to many of the alternatives.
 
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