Using the NATO socket to power equipment - This is how it works.

[nodric]

Just a quick post to help anyone that comes searching. This is how the NATO socket works. There are a lot of musing and threads about how to hack the hoops needed, but I found it easy for my purpose. To attached an external ARB compressor.

1. Engine running.
2. Flip the 500 amp switch in the roof to on.
3. Apply the parking brake unless you like rolling vehicles.
4. Put the transmission in neutral. The last step is the on/off for the socket. The reason? It's meant for a winch and Ineos won't let you operate a winch in park.

This is what I am using the socket for.

A. I picked up a NATO plug from Agile Offroad here - Link and used it to connect my ARB portable compressor to the NATO outlet.

B. The NATO plug is a PITA to fit. The terminals are solder type and need a LOT of heat and a LOT of solder to flood them and secure the wires. It is also a PITA to reassemble, but patience and some skill and you'll achieve it.

C. The ARB kit was TWIN MOTOR PORTABLE 12V AIR COMPRESSOR CKMTP12 - Link here.

D. I also picked up a spare harness for it so I didn't have to butcher the supplied harness with battery clamps as this means I still have that option for pother vehicles or situations. Spare harness is this but ARB are out of stock so I did evilBay. Amazon Link Here.

Why didn't I go for the Agile Offroad under rear seat hard installed system? I decided to have the flexibility of multi-vehicle use, as well as the kit I got has dual motors and a mini tank so faster inflation. I also ride dual sport bikes so wanted chance vehicle flexibility.

Some random pics took while soldering leads. Gripped the terminals one at a time in a vise grip plier as a heat shunt and to keep it steady. Used a gas soldering iron (needs a LOT OF HEAT) but a Weller gun would work. Flowed solder for a good 5 mins into the connector. With better soldering equipment (I normal do small electronics) you will flow the solder faster.

If I got anything wrong I am sure others will add helpful hints

 

[Rok_Dr]

Nice write up @nodric. That is exactly the same use case I use the NATO for.

In my case I made a NATO plug to 50amp Anderson plug adaptor and converted the lead on my old Thomas Blue Tongue compressor to an Anderson plug. If I need to connect the pump directly to the battery I use an Anderson battery clamp adaptor.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Tazzieman]

Soldering the sockets is easy if you secure the terminals in a vice and use a small gas torch. I use my wife's creme brulee torch.
Oh and make sure you have plenty of solder!

 

[nodric]

Soldering the sockets is easy if you secure the terminals in a vice and use a small gas torch. I use my wife's creme brulee torch.
Oh and make sure you have plenty of solder!

I almost used a torch, but my gas soldering iron (roadside repairs and can't be bothered to faff with an electric iron) gets way too hot turned up high, so it sufficed, but anyone else should use a gas torch and thick solder. I was using electronics solder and my and couldn't feed it fast enough. But got there in the end

 

[Tazzieman]

I almost used a torch, but my gas soldering iron (roadside repairs and can't be bothered to faff with an electric iron) gets way too hot turned up high, so it sufficed, but anyone else should use a gas torch and thick solder. I was using electronics solder and my and couldn't feed it fast enough. But got there in the end

My method is to create rolls of thin solder around a chopstick, squish and drop as much as I can into the socket, boil it with the little torch and carefully pop the fluxed .cable in. Then carefully file off any "candle gutterings".
In a steel vice, not a wooden one!

 

[Mountain4x4]

Wait a minute! You cannot winch in Park? That is insane! You are always in Park when winching someone else. That will need a fix.

 

[nodric]

Nice write up @nodric. That is exactly the same use case I use the NATO for.

In my case I made a NATO plug to 50amp Anderson plug adaptor and converted the lead on my old Thomas Blue Tongue compressor to an Anderson plug. If I need to connect the pump directly to the battery I use an Anderson battery clamp adaptor.

Cheers
Steve

Wait a minute! You cannot winch in Park? That is insane! You are always in Park when winching someone else. That will need a fix.

Software update coming

 

[CountyV8]

Hi all put it in car wash mode and the winch and NATO plug work.

 

[nodric]

Hi all put it in car wash mode and the winch and NATO plug work.

OK I am being dim. What is car wash mode on the Grenadier? Neutral tends to work in Texas for car washes?

 

[Tom109]

My method is to create rolls of thin solder around a chopstick, squish and drop as much as I can into the socket, boil it with the little torch and carefully pop the fluxed .cable in. Then carefully file off any "candle gutterings".
In a steel vice, not a wooden one!

I have also been know to set the wire in a stranded section of wire-appropriate-for-the-socket, before soldering.

 

[anand]

Wait a minute! You cannot winch in Park? That is insane! You are always in Park when winching someone else. That will need a fix.

You should 100% absolutely NEVER be in park to winch. Be in reverse or drive with your foot on the brake. Being up against the parking pall is a recipe for disaster; not to mention it gives you no escape route incase things start going s(l)ideways

 

[nodric]

You should 100% absolutely NEVER be in park to winch. Be in reverse or drive with your foot on the brake. Being up against the parking pall is a recipe for disaster; not to mention it gives you no escape route incase things start going s(l)ideways

I might be wrong but I think @Mountain4x4 was joking and/or being sarcastic But good advice for the untrained.

 

[parb]

Thanks for the write-up with links. Truly nice of you to take the time to do that -very helpful!

I too want to use the nato plug for an air compressor. I don't love the idea that I have to be in neutral for the plug to work to air up tires. Can you put on the parking brake at least without losing power to the plug?

 

[CountyV8]

OK I am being dim. What is car wash mode on the Grenadier? Neutral tends to work in Texas for car washes?

Its in the manual page 84
Car Wash Function


The process below puts the vehicle into a state for safe rolling.


1. Put the transmission into N while pushing the brake


pedal.


2. Stop the engine.


3. Immediately turn on the ignition without starting the


engine.


4. Now "car wash function" is engaged and the vehicle can


be pushed.

 

[bemax]

A small tip regarding the NATO connector.

If you haven't used it yet, you should unscrew it once to see if the thread is corroded.
That was the case with mine. I then needed a water pipe wrench...
A little grease on the thread can't hurt in any case.

 

[Rok_Dr]

Thanks for the write-up with links. Truly nice of you to take the time to do that -very helpful!

I too want to use the nato plug for an air compressor. I don't love the idea that I have to be in neutral for the plug to work to air up tires. Can you put on the parking brake at least without losing power to the plug?

No problems at all with using the park brake. That’s what I do.

Cheers
Steve

 

[nodric]

Thanks for the write-up with links. Truly nice of you to take the time to do that -very helpful!

I too want to use the nato plug for an air compressor. I don't love the idea that I have to be in neutral for the plug to work to air up tires. Can you put on the parking brake at least without losing power to the plug?

Yes, the parking brake (handbrake) is fine. The socket works when it's applied. I tested that much

 

[nodric]

Its in the manual page 84
Car Wash Function


The process below puts the vehicle into a state for safe rolling.


1. Put the transmission into N while pushing the brake


pedal.


2. Stop the engine.


3. Immediately turn on the ignition without starting the


engine.


4. Now "car wash function" is engaged and the vehicle can


be pushed.

Like most men, I didn't read the manual I wonder how many people will remember that vs just putting it in neutral in US car washes, assuming you can even use a carwash once you add a rack and some cool looking accessories.

 

[Tom109]

Like most men, I didn't read the manual I wonder how many people will remember that vs just putting it in neutral in US car washes, assuming you can even use a carwash once you add a rack and some cool looking accessories.

The Philly Zoo used to raffle an elephant car wash every Fall. I should look into that!

 

[Mountain4x4]

I might be wrong but I think @Mountain4x4 was joking and/or being sarcastic But good advice for the untrained.

Nope, I have winched THOUSANDS of times for god only knows how many hours in dozens of vehicles. ALWAYS in park and engine running if its another vehicle recovery. ( not in the lets see how long I can winch until the battery dies club) Many times you need all the help you can get. The Parking spals have never failed, and I guess I do not understand the benefit of an emergency by have the car in neutral. I have done some insane recoveries, but if its dangerous you add more vehicles, more winches ect. This will need a fix. Its aggravating that Ineos has done very silly nanny things like this that I have never heard of.