Trump tariff. Ineos Automotive is dead right?

[Tazzieman]

That's the saddest part of all. They really won't know. It isn't like it suddenly morphed into a Maybach.

Even at the polo club, the rest will be in Rangies and Bentaygas. But the Ineos will help tow them out of the mire when it rains.
As long as they have a recovery kit and the "towees" have rated recovery points.

 

[MattA]

I’m not an economic expert but how can tariffs affect sales compared with other equivalent cars?
Some are saying sales will drop due to price increases and it will be to expensive and priced the same asa RangeRover which makes zero sense because the Range Rover will also increase but by more than a IG
The way I see it all the new tariffs will actually achieve is a much higher cost of living for all which only hurts the low and middle income earners while the wealthy don’t really car because it makes little to no difference to their lifestyle

 

[mcdoogs]

I’m not an economic expert but how can tariffs affect sales compared with other equivalent cars?
Some are saying sales will drop due to price increases and it will be to expensive and priced the same asa RangeRover which makes zero sense because the Range Rover will also increase but by more than a IG
The way I see it all the new tariffs will actually achieve is a much higher cost of living for all which only hurts the low and middle income earners while the wealthy don’t really car because it makes little to no difference to their lifestyle

An EU tariff will also effect other EU makes, but those aren’t the only competitors (which include used vehicles). Also, some people who can afford a Grenadier at 80k can’t afford one at 100k. Thats just how wealth/income distributions play out regarding pricing.

 

[Tazzieman]

Its a nice paintjob though! And try finding a base Carerra S manual.

Poverty-spec Porsche
When you have fallen upon hard times!

 

[Tergosa]

If you're on the subject of my Commander in Chief, the only advise I can give other nations is to distance yourselves. I mean, do everything you can to isolate your countries to limit the impact of the economic implosion. The sole source of our power since the 70's was the wisdom to insinuate the Dollar as the worlds reserve currency and between the tariffs, the never ending sanctions, and now the lashing out at our most valued friends and partners, there's going to be a movement to 'something' else. It was a ponzi scheme that permitted us to print the gold consumer economies needed, and in return for that right, we policed the world as benevolently as we could with stability as the goal. It benefited all participants. The orange moron isn't able to bring himself to act beyond the myopic "ME FIRST, I'm the center of my world" emotional state of a 3rd grader, let alone understand such cooperation made the world go around. He's going to burn it down. It no longer benefits the world. There is no backstop here, for his actions.

American exceptionalism was the willful handing over of control, and the obedience to the system. During the debates to form the government, there were enough men that had difficulty with the concept of there not being a unitary executive power, that president was given too much discretion. Hence, we have a Pardon Power, and the tools for removal have a bar set way to high for practical use. The positions domestic roll is to execute the laws and decisions of the courts, but there is no effective mechanism to compel compliance outside of impeachment and conviction. As President Andrew Jackson (trumps only Presidential hero) was once incorrectly attributed with saying, "(Chief Justice) John Marshal has made his ruling, now let him enforce it". A minority of Congress can protect him, and a minority want to bring it all down in the name of White Christian Nationalism.

The current court has been hostile to any laws written by Congress that limited the Presidents ability to remove the heads of departments. They are Federalist Society Unity Executive acolytes. They have given him the power to be King, and he intends on grasping it with both hands. He is firing anyone that hints of loyalty to the country over him. The President is a grifter Real Estate man, and the Federal Reserve just refused to lower rates to maintain the stability of recovery (astounding job they did, btw). His position is supposed to be untouchable by politicians whims. Do not be shocked when the campaign to remove him begins, so fat f**k and Musk can access the money supply. They, not expericed indoctonated globalist bankers, will have influence over the money supply kept in the banks of world governments.

Do not be shocked when the campaign for a third term starts. Did Ghengis Khan walk away? Did Julius Ceasar walk away? Did Adolf or Stalin? Do mobsters that have committed crimes and made mortal enemies, like the Gotties or Gambinos just walk away in peace? .... I pray I'm in error, and the winds blow to make this post appear to be nothing more than sunday morning paranoid foolish rantings and rambelings, but when I look at history, I just dont see it ending well. It would a statistical outlier in history. Our only solid hope of recovery starts with is his advanced age, and a weak bench unable to corral the troops such as he has. Outside of that, I do not predict free and fair elections, and a peaceful handover of power in 4 years.

Have a chipper Sunday morning!!!

You are welcome to YOUR opinion

 

[HereinDaRockies]

You are welcome to YOUR opinion

Common guys.. the only topics I care about anre either being enthusiastic with our grenadiers or being pissed and talk sht about Ineos.

Literally couldn’t give a flying fk about anyone’s worldview in this forum

 

[Zimm]

Poverty-spec Porsche
When you have fallen upon hard times!

Hey hey…. It’s an S… an extra 40 hp, and no more flat ass.

 

[Zimm]

You are welcome to YOUR opinion

Thanks.

 

[bemax]

It is a world vehicle, technically, however the importer and manufacturer is a UK company. They will declare the percentage of components from different countries. Keep in mind that most parts are literally from all over the world and France makes nothing except wine and fois gras.
The biggest part of the car is the bmw engine, but I’ll bet the vast majority of parts are from Asia, N and S America and other places, including the UK (where they have designed, IP, all HQ and overhead, sales, marketing etc…. ). I’ll bet more than half the declared value of the cars is unrelated to the parts!

Th ZF and the ladder frame come from Germany for sure. As the seats did before the „problem“ now the might come from Italy. A big part of the components are made in Europe.

 

[Tazzieman]

Just for those who don't know specifics, the componentry is supplied by many companies worldwide.
One reference https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/who-makes-châssis.12417482/post-1333315312

 

[CRH]

Looking like Britain may be excluded from tariffs, obviously this won't help the Grenadier, for now. But hey, things change very quickly so any tariffs may be short lived or greatly reduced

 

[Voader - Oudersopzwier]

No. It is assembled in France from parts from around the world. It is technically shipped into the USA from a UK company that owns it. So any EU tariffs will be partial at best! Don’t buy the new Porsche or BMW or VW, but for Ineos they are in a good position. Trump has no issues with the UK!

Butt, Ineos may be a British company. The production is in France, and the goods are shipped from Hamburg (Germany) or the port of Bruges-Zeebrugge (Belgium) So, goods are shipped from out EU and not UK.
Remember that all spare parts are also stocked in a warehouse near Bruges-Zeebrugge (Belgium)
ps Attached photo is a stand still from a documentary from one of the largest RoRo handlers in the Port of Bruges-Zeebrugge. Grenadiers waiting to be shipped.

 

[Jiman01]

I thought the UK/EU was not impacted by the same tariffs as Mexico, Canada, China

 

[Coullabus]

I thought the UK/EU was not impacted by the same tariffs as Mexico, Canada, China

YET!

 

[Zimm]

Here's a summation of the Owned/Built ratio, as it impacts an economy (in general, profit/loss levels may cause a little shifting). If a company is domestic, the profits go to the country, and if its built domestic, the labor contributes to the economy.

Best- Owned domestic/built domestic AND exported.
Next best- Owned domestic/built domestic
Next- Owned domestic/built foreign FOR export market
Next- Owned domestic/built foreign and imported
Next- Owned foreign/built domestic
worst- Owned foreign/built foreign.


As it stands, all the US domestic manufacturers have foreign components and plants owned by those companies that don't just up and move, 99% of which are in Canada and Mexico. Other necessary components come from china. I don't think any "Domestic" car sold in the US will be free of some sort of impact.

Start plugging in your flow chart... who is he hurting? 911's just went on sale.

Some businesses are more complicated than buying real estate and carrying over fake losses to avoid paying taxes, as the Orange Moron is clearly demonstrating. This tax isn't hitting Europe as whole yet, and in fact, if it stops here, may prove to benefit Ineos as broncos and jeeps tack on a few more thousand. It's not just Genius, It's "very stable Genius". It may be Genius'ier than just plain Genius.

 

[Tenac]

Soon we will hear Ineos Automotive to build first plant in the US.......

 

[ADVAW8S]

Soon we will hear Ineos Automotive to build first plant in the US.......

That was already a game plan before the introduction of tariffs. I assume your saying the announcement?

 

[Jiman01]

YET!

Well, unless the UK/EU starts allowing illegals and drugs to enter CONUS there shouldn't be a “Yet”. That's what started the issue with Mexico, Canada, and China in the first place. This is the Presidents retaliation to those countries for purposely hurting the US.

I wonder why doing something to stop, or at least significantly reducing, drugs and illegals coming through the borders is such a big ask if our countries are such good friends

With that said, none of that should affect Ineos.

 

[CRH]

LR Defender and Discovery are made in Europe where as other models are built in UK. So everyone will have similar problems so will all just even out. Unless every country negotiates a deal which is probably the whole aim.

 

[ADVAW8S]

Because I don't have time, I asked AI to give me a list of the biggest USA imports and Exports.

The United States' biggest imports include vehicles, machinery, and consumer goods.

Vehicles

• Cars: The US imported $159 billion worth of cars in 2022.
• Motor vehicles, parts, and accessories: The US imported $88 billion worth of motor vehicles, parts, and accessories in 2022.

Machinery

• • Electrical machinery: The US imported $367.1 billion worth of electrical machinery in 2019.
    
  • Machinery, nuclear reactors, and boilers: The US imported $459.2 billion worth of machinery in 2023.
    

Consumer goods

• • Pharmaceuticals: The US imported $116.3 billion worth of pharmaceuticals in 2019.
    
  • Furniture, lighting, and signs: The US imported $72.1 billion worth of furniture, lighting, and signs in 2019.
    
  • Apparel, artwork, and glassware: These are all considered consumer goods.
    

Other imports

• • Minerals, fuels, and oil: The US imported $241.4 billion worth of minerals, fuels, and oil in 2019.
  • Plastics: The US imported $61.9 billion worth of plastics in 2019.
  • Gems and precious metals: The US imported $60.8 billion worth of gems and precious metals in 2019
  The United States' biggest exports include petroleum, machinery, electrical equipment, and vehicles.
• Petroleum
• Crude petroleum: The US produces more crude oil than any other country
• Refined petroleum: A top export of the US
• Petroleum gas: A top export of the US
• Machinery
• Machinery and mechanical appliances: A top commodity sector for the US
• Civilian aircrafts and aircraft parts: A high-value export category for the US
• Electrical equipment
• Electrical, electronic equipment: A top export category for the US
• Integrated circuits: A top export of the US
• Vehicles
• Cars: A top export of the US
• Transportation equipment: A top commodity sector for the US
• Other top exporting industries in the US include:
• Pharmaceutical manufacturing
• Natural gas liquid processing
• Organic chemical manufacturing
• Navigational instrument manufacturing
• Plastic and resin manufacturing
• Medical instrument and supply manufacturing
• Soybean farming