Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[ADVAW8S]

This has turned into a bullshit political discussion with a bunch of people who don’t live in the US critiquing the American system of government and the policies that Americans voted for. If you think our electoral college system is the problem then you are in fact the problem.

I huge lot of us Americans who pay the bulk of the taxes are sick and fucking tired of supporting the world and then hearing about how terrible we are. At least we still have our God given freedoms… well at least those of us who don’t life in Kalifornia.

No doubt a bunch of you hate Trump and that is your right but this is a damn automotive forum and frankly I don’t want to come hear and read about your political views!.

As for the 25% tariff… it won’t last. It’s a negotiation,

Point A: our electoral college is archaic. It was designed because our founding fathers believed that majority of the voting population (white males) were to dumb to make a intelligent choice. Plus the system is set up as a all and nothing except in Nebraska and Maine. So a person could get 49% of the vote and receive 0 electoral votes. Seems f'up. Finally the electoral college number is fixed and will never change, the problem is it doesn't represent a 1 to 1 ratio. For example, According to 2023 population estimates, one electoral vote in Wyoming accounts for around 194,000 people, while a vote in Texas, Florida or California accounts for over 700,000. In reality Texas, Florida and California should get more weight in the decision making.

You have to admire other countries political systems where political groups is not divided into 2 regimes but several groups. Those several groups have to form a coalition to work together. Plus you can call a no confident vote when you feel someone is not following the will of the people.

We support the world because of our decisions to be the main focus of the world. Treaties and agreements were made and each of them put more power in the hands of the USA.

Taxes, we all pay taxes. Good chance if your a owner of a Grenadier, you are in a the upper bracket. We all pay a progressive tax so only a portion is taxed at 39%. My point is, we know how to reduce the tax burden. Close loopholes, make large business pay a fair share and spend less. 10% of the companies in S&P 500 paid no taxes last year. To be considered part of the S&P 500, you need to have a market cap of 15.8 billion or higher

 

[Eric]

You can't take this shit too seriously. The man is severely mentally ill, and it will be held up by thousands of lawsuits. The lunatics are highly insecure and suffer from many capacitative ailments. The weak-minded will lash out loudly in fear and confusion when the realities of the world are too much for them to comprehend. This man can not conjugate a verb or even finish a sentence correctly.

Are straight jackets manufactured in the US or imported? I'm looking to invest I see an immediate sales opportunity

 

[Shopkeep]

He isn't part of the 71% of Bible hungry Christians. Thbus he doesn't understand or indeed want to invoke öldentimes words
"Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done" (Proverbs 19:17)

“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Now that's politics and religion done. let's talk about sex. Not getting enough? Can't help you there, sorry!
Get a smaller car.

Is this the inspiration for Trumpet of Patriots??? Australia also has a megalomaniacal billionaire trying to game the political system, lucky we (mostly) see through it (not sure Clive could use a smaller car).

 

[Tazzieman]

Is this the inspiration for Trumpet of Patriots??? Australia also has a megalomaniacal billionaire trying to game the political system, lucky we (mostly) see through it (not sure Clive could use a smaller car).

Where would we be without Clive , Pauline and our Jacquie?
Where else can you hold a smelly dead salmon aloft in the Senate?

 

[Jiman01]

Point A: our electoral college is archaic. It was designed because our founding fathers believed that majority of the voting population (white males) were to dumb to make a intelligent choice. Plus the system is set up as a all and nothing except in Nebraska and Maine. So a person could get 49% of the vote and receive 0 electoral votes. Seems f'up. Finally the electoral college number is fixed and will never change, the problem is it doesn't represent a 1 to 1 ratio. For example, According to 2023 population estimates, one electoral vote in Wyoming accounts for around 194,000 people, while a vote in Texas, Florida or California accounts for over 700,000. In reality Texas, Florida and California should get more weight in the decision making.

You have to admire other countries political systems where political groups is not divided into 2 regimes but several groups. Those several groups have to form a coalition to work together. Plus you can call a no confident vote when you feel someone is not following the will of the people.

We support the world because of our decisions to be the main focus of the world. Treaties and agreements were made and each of them put more power in the hands of the USA.

Taxes, we all pay taxes. Good chance if your an owner of a Grenadier, you are in a the upper bracket. We all pay a progressive tax so only a portion is taxed at 39%. My point is, we know how to reduce the tax burden. Close loopholes, make large business pay a fair share and spend less. 10% of the companies in S&P 500 paid no taxes last year. To be considered part of the S&P 500, you need to have a market cap of 15.8 billion or higher

Archaic, like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Electoral College votes aren’t 1:1 because as you’ve pointed out, it would essentially mean that a few states would dictate the election for the entire country…similar to how @2/3 of Kalifornia is red but the few densely populated areas make it a democratic super majority for years. How’s that state been going lately? Talk about “f’up”.

And using your logic regarding the Electoral College, it’s seems now more than ever it’s needed because about half the country has lost its mind when they think men can be women, require he/him, she/her, they/them pronouns, it’s OK to storm the Capitol or burn down police stations during the “Summer of Love”. Ironic that in this day and age when everyone has a super computer in their back pocket, people appear more stupid than ever (not talking about anyone here, just a general observation)

The US became the power that it is because we basically saved the UK and eventually Europe from Hitler. Once the war was over the US had the infrastructure and resources intact to help our allies. Problem is now 80yrs after the war, the US continues to have pay the most into NATO and continues to have heavy tariffs levied against US products but has not placed similar tariffs from foreign imports. That’s changing and now the world is mad.

I have an idea to heads of the affected countries…drop your tariffs and I bet POTUS will drop ours. Remember these are primarily reciprocal tariffs.

Thinking it’s not OK for the US to do what’s been done to us for decades shows your bias. And that’s fine because you should be thinking about your own country first, but it’s also not wrong for the US to put our needs first as well.

Taxes…businesses set up where it’s most profitable for them. Make them pay too much and they find a different home. Fact is these companies also create jobs and that money gets put back into our economy. Rather than worry about who should pay what, how about if the GOV does a better job as the stewards of our money by reducing wasteful spending, fraud and abuse.

How about we stop giving billions of it away to other countries and than get crucified for asking compensation in return when EU countries do the same to countries they give money to.

 

[CRH]

We are never going to agree on politics, saying foreigners shouldn't comment on US politics is right but also not as politics is an opinion.
I have always thought most people are too stupid (uneducated about politics and all that's involved). As someone earlier said, this was one of the reasons the US system is the way it is. The UK system is also different to the rest of Europe with our first past the post system which can make voting pointless for some people.
Over here people vote for a party because their parents did and grandparents even though they don't believe in anything they stand for but they pay no attention to politics and have no idea.
I have always thought voting should be a multiple choice questionnaire with the answers from the each party being what you choose. In effect you can't pick a party. Sadly a lot of what we believe is not what we want, ie, help the poor means higher taxes. We all have different ideas of what the poor are, lazy or in need.
Then our other problem is that all the politicians around the world are generally living in a different world to the voting public and are pretty ineffective and usless, legalities hold up or stop any decisions. Ultimately, why vote? It seems to be a game of, you run it for a while then we will do what we can, then it’s your turn to run the country for a while then we swap back again.

 

[Trialmaster]

This has turned into a bullshit political discussion with a bunch of people who don’t live in the US critiquing the American system of government and the policies that Americans voted for. If you think our electoral college system is the problem then you are in fact the problem.

I huge lot of us Americans who pay the bulk of the taxes are sick and fucking tired of supporting the world and then hearing about how terrible we are. At least we still have our God given freedoms… well at least those of us who don’t life in Kalifornia.

No doubt a bunch of you hate Trump and that is your right but this is a damn automotive forum and frankly I don’t want to come hear and read about your political views!.

As for the 25% tariff… it won’t last. It’s a negotiation,

Careful, we are all in it together here. We can all get personal, but that doesn't help here.

On a personal note, speaking as a Grenadier fan, all I want to see is a successful company, pleasing anyone regardless of where they live.

I do understand Trumps MAGA argument, I would like to see my own country regain some ground too. I just think tariffs effecting the English speakers here is extremely unhelpful. As I said on post 3, he should have been very specific and gone for the country that is unstabalising the world on purpose.

He and maybe all of us forget, the UK had the largest Navy in the world at the start of WW2, the UK created the first Air Force the RAF. Sir Frank Whittle, developed the worlds first jet engine. The UK was destroyed financially by fighting the Nazis single handed, until the Americans were forced into the conflict via Pearl harbour. Until that point the UK was receiving some hardware under the Lend-Lease scheme which sped up my countries financial demise. Thankfully, the story has a good ending, otherwise we would be speaking German and not English!

 

[AWo]

I think it's big enough to kill grenadiers everywhere. Maybe they'll stumble along for a few years because they already have production going, but there won't be any justification to make a new model.

I should probably go buy some stellantis stock now.

I heard that Stallantis will start build Hemi V8 again...

AWo

 

[Trialmaster]

I can imagine the tariffs will put a stake through JLR's heart too.

What we are witnessing, is the cycle of empires, following the break up of the British Empire, the USA is experiencing their world influence diminishing and now panicking as China becomes the next.

As said, we shouldn't do is turn on ourselves, I would have hoped Trump has run all the eventualities of his disastrous 25% tariffs.

 

[mcdoogs]

The US became the power that it is because we basically saved the UK and eventually Europe from Hitler. Once the war was over

 

[Eric]

I can imagine the tariffs will put a stake through JLR's heart too.

What we are witnessing, is the cycle of empires, following the break up of the British Empire, the USA is experiencing their world influence diminishing and now panicking as China becomes the next.

As said, we shouldn't do is turn on ourselves, I would have hoped Trump has run all the eventualities of his disastrous 25% tariffs.

I think Aston Martin may come out worst of the UK car makers.

 

[LabRat]

Archaic, like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
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How about we stop giving billions of it away to other countries and than get crucified for asking compensation in return when EU countries do the same to countries they give money to.

THANK YOU!!!

 

[mcdoogs]

Archaic, like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Electoral College votes aren’t 1:1 because as you’ve pointed out, it would essentially mean that a few states would dictate the election for the entire country…similar to how @2/3 of Kalifornia is red but the few densely populated areas make it a democratic super majority for years. How’s that state been going lately? Talk about “f’up”.

And using your logic regarding the Electoral College, it’s seems now more than ever it’s needed because about half the country has lost its mind when they think men can be women, require he/him, she/her, they/them pronouns, it’s OK to storm the Capitol or burn down police stations during the “Summer of Love”. Ironic that in this day and age when everyone has a super computer in their back pocket, people appear more stupid than ever (not talking about anyone here, just a general observation)

The US became the power that it is because we basically saved the UK and eventually Europe from Hitler. Once the war was over the US had the infrastructure and resources intact to help our allies. Problem is now 80yrs after the war, the US continues to have pay the most into NATO and continues to have heavy tariffs levied against US products but has not placed similar tariffs from foreign imports. That’s changing and now the world is mad.

I have an idea to heads of the affected countries…drop your tariffs and I bet POTUS will drop ours. Remember these are primarily reciprocal tariffs.

Thinking it’s not OK for the US to do what’s been done to us for decades shows your bias. And that’s fine because you should be thinking about your own country first, but it’s also not wrong for the US to put our needs first as well.

Taxes…businesses set up where it’s most profitable for them. Make them pay too much and they find a different home. Fact is these companies also create jobs and that money gets put back into our economy. Rather than worry about who should pay what, how about if the GOV does a better job as the stewards of our money by reducing wasteful spending, fraud and abuse.

How about we stop giving billions of it away to other countries and than get crucified for asking compensation in return when EU countries do the same to countries they give money to.

Take this data-less ranting drivel back to your Facebook echo chamber imo. This is a car forum, not a cult forum

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Politics aside - if there isn’t an agreement between the US and EU quickly on tariffs, Ineos is probably hosed. There’s no way to rapidly move production to the US, and the biggest share volume has been from US buyers. How much will that volume go down with a 25% tariff? 25%? 50%? I don’t know - but I want them to thrive and be successful- for all of our sakes, and for the sake of the absolutely coolest automotive project I’ve seen in my lifetime.

 

[landmannnn]

Thankfully, the story has a good ending, otherwise we would be speaking German and not English!

Actually while some 70% of English vocabulary is French/Latin, English is a Germanic language through and through.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Lynn Calder had already anticipated this in the existing pricing - see previous media releases. Plus commercial trucks already have the chicken tax which was accounted for prior to US pricing decisions so it’s no different. IMO this is a non event for Ineos sales in the USA.

I would love for that to be true - but I think it’s unlikely- there will be a hit, even if Ineos takes out some of the pain with pricing adjustments. I just don’t know how big the hit will be.

 

[mcdoogs]

I would love for that to be true - but I think it’s unlikely- there will be a hit, even if Ineos takes out some of the pain with pricing adjustments. I just don’t know how big the hit will be.

I agree, i think its very unlikely they’ve baked anything near 25% margin into their pricing to date. And if they had, and they are this slow to release badly needed software updates, well that doesnt bode well for the company either for different reasons.

 

[Jiman01]

Take this data-less ranting drivel back to your Facebook echo chamber imo. This is a car forum, not a cult forum

Typical to just resort to labeling (memes) and name calling rather than talking about it like adults SHOULD do. You’re right it is a Grenadier forum. Not sure what a cult has to do with anything but it’s a free country…you do you and have a nice day

 

[mcdoogs]

Typical to just resort to labeling (memes) and name calling rather than talking about it like adults SHOULD do. You’re right it is a Grenadier forum. Not sure what a cult has to do with anything but it’s a free country…you do you and have a nice day

You literally just spewed rhetoric from breitbart onto a car forum. Pure dataless rhetoric in a unhinged rant. You literally chain transphobic talking points with explicitly saying that some citizens votes should be weighted heavier than others (in your favor what a shock!) with a heavy implication that ‘the left’ stormed the Capitol on jan 6th.

I didnt call you names and your fake performative outrage is on brand. Your post had no novel personal perspective and certainly contained no nuance. Just copy/pasted opinions and disinformation that didnt need to be shared here. So stow the pearl clutching.

 

[trobex]

I am glad Trump and Musk are doing what they are doing. There is nothing they can do that could possibly be any worse than the last administration. Our government is pathetic and just handed down 10 years of deficits... the lucky country hey. Handing our money to every kid on the block who does not have a job, and if they do, does not tax properly! 33% of all workers are paid by Fed/State government - good luck to us all.