Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[bigleonski]

It looks a bit like the great recession in the 30’s.
Could it be Donald didn’t read any further after the word great in school?

This guy believes you are bang on the money.

Trump is out to destroy the global economic order, and it will cost us all

Donald Trump's tariffs are not a negotiation tactic. They are a very deliberate plan to destroy the liberal global trading and financial system the US itself established. And all of us could pay a heavy price for his attempt to reshape the world order.

www.abc.net.au

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Fortunately, JLR vehicles are the pinnacle of reliability and probably won't need replacement parts any time soon.

Did this include parts? They said it was just a 4 week halt while they figure stuff out.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

The hard conversations we should all be having

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theonion.com

 

[DaveB]

@Zimm I think you are looking through a USA lens. But globally the QM is competitive. I personally think it drives better, my kids have no choice to like the rear seats. The 5 foot bed is the same size I see Tacoma and Rangers. Raptors come in at 5 .5 foot beds. Here is a comparison of the bed widths for the Ineos Quartermaster, Ford F-150, Toyota Tacoma, and Nissan Frontier:
Ineos Quartermaster:
* Cargo Bed Width at Floor: 63.7 inches
* Cargo Bed Width Between Wheelhousings: 44.8 inches
Ford F-150:
* The bed width is generally 50.6 inches for the 5.5-foot, 6.5-foot, and 8-foot bed lengths.
* Some sources indicate a maximum bed width of 66.9 inches for certain configurations.
* The width between the wheel wells for the 5-foot and 6-foot cargo boxes is 44.8 inches.
Toyota Tacoma:
* The bed width at the tailgate is approximately 53 inches.
* The width between the wheel wells is approximately 41.5 inches.
* The maximum bed width is around 56.7 inches.
Nissan Frontier:
* Maximum Bed Width: 61.4 inches
* Bed Width Between Wheel Wells: 44.5 inches
Summary of Bed Widths (Maximum Width):
* Ineos Quartermaster: 63.7 inches
* Ford F-150: ~50.6 - 66.9 inches (depending on configuration)
* Toyota Tacoma: ~56.7 inches
* Nissan Frontier: 61.4 inches
Key Takeaways:
* The Ineos Quartermaster generally has the widest bed at the floor among these trucks.
* The Ford F-150 offers different bed widths depending on the specific bed length and configuration, with some configurations potentially being the widest overall.
* The Nissan Frontier has a wider bed than the Toyota Tacoma.
* The width between the wheel wells is an important measurement for fitting certain types of cargo. The Ford F-150 and Ineos Quartermaster have a similar width between the wheel wells, which is slightly wider than the Nissan Frontier and noticeably wider than the Toyota Tacoma.
It's important to note that these are general figures, and specific measurements can vary slightly depending on the model year, cab configuration, and bed length chosen for the Ford F-150, Toyota Tacoma, and Nissan Frontier. Always refer to the manufacturer's specifications for the most accurate dimensions of a specific vehicle.

This would be why we prefer the cab chassis version in Australia and then put a tray on it.
1826 mm long x 1850 mm wide 71.89" x 72.83" completely flat and you can drop, or remove, the sides to carry bigger stuff.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1eTilUfKA&t=3s

 

[RYAustralia]

Of course the US consumer will bear the brunt of this. The negative effect on foreign companies is the lowering of demand in the US for their now-more-expensive goods/materials.

Lower consumer spending leads to negative growth (we already here) in a still elevated inflationary environment: stagflation baby!

Yep. Most predict another Great Depression but this time disproportionately affecting western and US aligned economies. Seems the BRICS and allied economies will come out much better is the prediction by most senior economists. Trump and republicans are gambling they can push through but if dollar standard becomes irrelevant by ever weakening US currency then BRICS and alternate currency trading will be normalise and spell the end of US power and influence.

Glad I’ve got my grenny already. Just need to mount a machine gun turret through the passenger safari window and I’m all set and ready.

 

[RYAustralia]

I think it’s pretty obvious those restrictions are not about trade impediments or protectionist policies - to say so would I think be misleading. A Glock is also incredibly expensive in Australia- presuming you can even get the license to have one. I compared US and Australia pricing on that with my Uber driver in Melbourne. That’s not because Australians are trying to protect domestic gun manufacturing from the Austrians. Every country sets its own laws about vehicle classification, registration, licensing, permits - all of which are essential to their strategy for safety, efficiency, and infrastructure- separate from trade policy. Australians get bull bars but are obsessed with vehicle weights. They also have a ton of washboard dirt roads with kangaroos that have, apparently, all joined a murder/suicide cult - so I totally get it.

A Glock is a very cheap and crappy pistol. Jacking up prices to make it more attractive for the naive doesn’t make it a great pistol, it just makes it an expensive piece of crap rather than cheap crap. I totally get the price = quality rhetoric, but quality will usually win out, albeit not at quantity. Same goes for anything niche - always gonna be expensive and have additional unforeseen challenges due to its niche nature compared to mass produced high volume goods which will be often be easier to own and manage. Look at serious audiophile record players, designer clothes as simple examples. Need expensive hard to get parts, can’t just throw them in the washing machine etc. niche products have small markets and enthusiasts who value them. Mass market buyers won’t go near. That’s where I see Ineos vehicles. Built for a purpose and if that is your purpose then great, but 99% of the market don’t have that need. Welcome to the elite club, Ineos owners. 🌨

 

[Tazzieman]

Welcome to the elite club, Ineos owners. 🌨

Somebody was talking about a secret handshake not long after the forum was formed.
I did get a warm handshake yesterday at Bunnings ; random guy wondered what the Grenadier was , and had a good look around the rig.
He was genuinely excited for me and congratulated me on my ownership!

 

[DaveB]

Somebody was talking about a secret handshake not long after the forum was formed.
I did get a warm handshake yesterday at Bunnings ; random guy wondered what the Grenadier was , and had a good look around the rig.
He was genuinely excited for me and congratulated me on my ownership!

Yes, that happens a lot at Bunnings to me.

 

[DaveB]

A Glock is a very cheap and crappy pistol. Jacking up prices to make it more attractive for the naive doesn’t make it a great pistol, it just makes it an expensive piece of crap rather than cheap crap. I totally get the price = quality rhetoric, but quality will usually win out, albeit not at quantity. Same goes for anything niche - always gonna be expensive and have additional unforeseen challenges due to its niche nature compared to mass produced high volume goods which will be often be easier to own and manage. Look at serious audiophile record players, designer clothes as simple examples. Need expensive hard to get parts, can’t just throw them in the washing machine etc. niche products have small markets and enthusiasts who value them. Mass market buyers won’t go near. That’s where I see Ineos vehicles. Built for a purpose and if that is your purpose then great, but 99% of the market don’t have that need. Welcome to the elite club, Ineos owners. 🌨

I like 5.11 gear/clothes and also Under armor clothes and Xero shoes.
All US companies and good quality product.
Exported to Australia and the world from the US.
Virtually none of it is actually made in the US though.
Much of it is made in Vietnam, China and Indonesia
Not interested in working out what the tariffs will be as there seem to be several on top of each other.
I guess they will just avoid them by shipping direct from factories instead of into and back out of USA.
Yes some products already are but I also buy direct from US when they have sales and clearances on.
Or products that aren't part of the Australian range.

 

[DaveB]

A Glock is a very cheap and crappy pistol. Jacking up prices to make it more attractive for the naive doesn’t make it a great pistol, it just makes it an expensive piece of crap rather than cheap crap. I totally get the price = quality rhetoric, but quality will usually win out, albeit not at quantity. Same goes for anything niche - always gonna be expensive and have additional unforeseen challenges due to its niche nature compared to mass produced high volume goods which will be often be easier to own and manage. Look at serious audiophile record players, designer clothes as simple examples. Need expensive hard to get parts, can’t just throw them in the washing machine etc. niche products have small markets and enthusiasts who value them. Mass market buyers won’t go near. That’s where I see Ineos vehicles. Built for a purpose and if that is your purpose then great, but 99% of the market don’t have that need. Welcome to the elite club, Ineos owners. 🌨

Sounds like you have had a bad experience with Glock plastic fantastics.
They are perfect for people who have to carry them a lot and use them very little or never.

 

[S52]

A Glock is a very cheap and crappy pistol.....

Stopped reading right here

 

[CrazyOldMan]

A Glock is a very cheap and crappy pistol. Jacking up prices to make it more attractive for the naive doesn’t make it a great pistol, it just makes it an expensive piece of crap rather than cheap crap. I totally get the price = quality rhetoric, but quality will usually win out, albeit not at quantity. Same goes for anything niche - always gonna be expensive and have additional unforeseen challenges due to its niche nature compared to mass produced high volume goods which will be often be easier to own and manage. Look at serious audiophile record players, designer clothes as simple examples. Need expensive hard to get parts, can’t just throw them in the washing machine etc. niche products have small markets and enthusiasts who value them. Mass market buyers won’t go near. That’s where I see Ineos vehicles. Built for a purpose and if that is your purpose then great, but 99% of the market don’t have that need. Welcome to the elite club, Ineos owners. 🌨

Sorry that’s not my point - at all. I was saying that things like price differences or licensing requirements or whatever are not necessarily a nefarious and alternate trade barrier. The price differences on a Glock in the two countries is significant - that doesn’t mean Australia has some specific agenda about Austrian arms imports. It does mean they want firearms to be less accessible- but it’s not done to advantage local manufacturers.

 

[RYAustralia]

Sorry that’s not my point - at all. I was saying that things like price differences or licensing requirements or whatever are not necessarily a nefarious and alternate trade barrier. The price differences on a Glock in the two countries is significant - that doesn’t mean Australia has some specific agenda about Austrian arms imports. It does mean they want firearms to be less accessible- but it’s not done to advantage local manufacturers.

Fair point, but a conversation about Glocks was more tantalising. lol. I agree with you that trade practices aren't always about protectionism, as we know from Brits banning US chicken, and Australia barring US beef. sometimes it's about consumer protections, local sensitivities and tolerances etc. Reminds me of UK consumers realising 25 years too late that they've been eating horse meat labelled as beef from Europe for decades. Made me laugh so much!!!

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Fair point, but a conversation about Glocks was more tantalising. lol. I agree with you that trade practices aren't always about protectionism, as we know from Brits banning US chicken, and Australia barring US beef. sometimes it's about consumer protections, local sensitivities and tolerances etc. Reminds me of UK consumers realising 25 years too late that they've been eating horse meat labelled as beef from Europe for decades. Made me laugh so much!!!

Exactly. I WOULD have said that it’s important for the Administration to have a more nuanced view on trade, so they don’t lump everything into the assumption of trade barriers - but that’s a little like criticizing the exact placement of the A-bomb in Nagasaki. They have blown up everything. The result won’t be more jobs on “Main Street” - the result will be layoffs and higher prices, in the US and everywhere else.

 

[Zimm]

For now I'm on board with the tariffs, the point is to spur the American economy and create jobs outside of our main industry (financial). It is a shift from wall street to main street. It isn't possible to compete with some exporters given their competitive advantage (like china/slave/labor/subsidized commercial investment/ etc etc etc) Most of the industrial infrastructure for the shifts already exists in the US. I also don't think they'll be long term. It may hurt/kill some brands but so be it... I did my part and bought a truck this week. I was between a bronco raptor or the grenadier, I went with the grenadier.

You’re on board with the tariffs to spur American industry since all of that capacity is just sitting there unused, and to show it, you rushed out and bough a French made car that’s going to get pounded with tariffs, before the tariffs hit.

I can honestly say, your unique insight into manufacturing and personal sacrifice are without parallel.

 

[Zimm]

This would be why we prefer the cab chassis version in Australia and then put a tray on it.
1826 mm long x 1850 mm wide 71.89" x 72.83" completely flat and you can drop, or remove, the sides to carry bigger stuff.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1eTilUfKA&t=3s


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Aaaaand you could do that with a real pickup, and not have the 2500 pound payload 80% behind the rear wheels.

 

[Trialmaster]

This would be why we prefer the cab chassis version in Australia and then put a tray on it.
1826 mm long x 1850 mm wide 71.89" x 72.83" completely flat and you can drop, or remove, the sides to carry bigger stuff.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1eTilUfKA&t=3s


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Impressive - unfortunately the solution is not available in the UK!

 

[BradS1]

You’re on board with the tariffs to spur American industry since all of capacity is just sitting there unused, and to show it, you rushed out and bough a French made car that’s going to get pounded with tariffs, before the tariffs hit.

I can honestly say, your unique insight into manufacturing and personal sacrifice are without parallel.

You're probably a blast at parties.

 

[Fab]

For now I'm on board with the tariffs, the point is to spur the American economy and create jobs outside of our main industry (financial). It is a shift from wall street to main street. It isn't possible to compete with some exporters given their competitive advantage (like china/slave/labor/subsidized commercial investment/ etc etc etc) Most of the industrial infrastructure for the shifts already exists in the US. I also don't think they'll be long term. It may hurt/kill some brands but so be it... I did my part and bought a truck this week. I was between a bronco raptor or the grenadier, I went with the grenadier.

Please explain how these tariffs will spur the American economy.
Many people inside and outside the US do not seem to understand, me included.
I do understand the simple maths, but this is not about simple maths.

Thanks in advance, Fabio

 

[mcdoogs]

Please explain how these tariffs will spur the American economy.
Many people inside and outside the US do not seem to understand, me included.
I do understand the simple maths, but this is not about simple maths.

Thanks in advance, Fabio

The logic only works if you actually believe that the US is disadvantaged in the global trade network. If you actually understand even a little about how the world functions, that false premise is exposed and all subsequent arguments fall apart completely.