Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[Stu_Barnes]

Can I just point out that, scanning through this absolutely mind-trip thread, I realize that @Stu_Barnes and @Krabby have, whether intentionally or not, recreated the total internet discussion board experience of 1996. Amazing - now THIS is the internet Wayback Machine.

You want 1996, then scroll down and click on the "forum main theme icon" then select "low bandwidth" that'll being you back, and for those wondering why that option is there, well, not everyone is on broad band, slow, or even medium speed internet, some members are on dial up or sat com for things. Doubly important when they're in trouble and using the SOS threads....

 

[Shopkeep]

I will be very interested in seeing whether BMW decides to build the B58 in the United States. Were this to happen, it might tilt Ineos to build Grenadiers here.

Huge investment and risk to build a combustion engine plant including a foundry with the uncertain business and environmental directions in the US. Given their market position as a premium product probably easier to work the existing German plant harder, pay the tariff and pass on a portion of the increase in costs to the consumer. The rest of the world will still continue to move away from 6 cylinder engines so the US moving back to them will help keep the existing production lines viable. At least ZF has an existing transmission plant in US which should help minimise the total tariff impact on the drivetrain.

 

[DaveB]

The old saying here is, "God made man but Sam Colt made them equal".

Was that a John Wayne quote??

 

[DaveB]

I will be very interested in seeing whether BMW decides to build the B58 in the United States. Were this to happen, it might tilt Ineos to build Grenadiers here.

They build/assemble a lot of the X series in the states but still import engines and gearboxes for them
It would hurt their engine plant in Germany if they took away a large quantity of engines and moved them to a brand new plant.

 

[anand]

Can I just point out that, scanning through this absolutely mind-trip thread, I realize that @Stu_Barnes and @Krabby have, whether intentionally or not, recreated the total internet discussion board experience of 1996. Amazing - now THIS is the internet Wayback Machine.

Are you saying we're in Town Hall 23 on America OnLine?

 

[bigleonski]

Huge investment and risk to build a combustion engine plant including a foundry with the uncertain business and environmental directions in the US. Given their market position as a premium product probably easier to work the existing German plant harder, pay the tariff and pass on a portion of the increase in costs to the consumer. The rest of the world will still continue to move away from 6 cylinder engines so the US moving back to them will help keep the existing production lines viable. At least ZF has an existing transmission plant in US which should help minimise the total tariff impact on the drivetrain.

Agreed in terms of US business risk.
Right now I can’t imagine any international manufacturing group deciding to invest in US operations when quite frankly the business environment for foreign owned entites has gone from a strong and stable long term bet to potentially changing direction at the whim of a bad nights sleep in the space of a few months.
This has become Trump’s biggest risk in terms of what he is trying to achieve with all of this.

 

[Max]

But BMW Doesn't build the motors here; they assemble vehicles here... At first thought I was going to suggest the LS3 that the Magna interns put in a Grenadier, but after a quick Google-ing found that GM doesn't even build the LS motor in the US

A good thought, are they still made in Canada and was it tested in the Gren? That would have been another plus for the US market and for some here in OZ. A Solid engine that was in my son's Holden Wagon, just so much fun to drive and would go forever so to speak

 

[CrazyOldMan]

You want 1996, then scroll down and click on the "forum main theme icon" then select "low bandwidth" that'll being you back, and for those wondering why that option is there, well, not everyone is on broad band, slow, or even medium speed internet, some members are on dial up or sat com for things. Doubly important when they're in trouble and using the SOS threads....

Make it play a modem dial tone when the page loads. But . . . Good idea on low BW, esp for SOS thread etc

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Are you saying we're in Town Hall 23 on America OnLine?

We never escaped - it was all an illusion

 

[Clark Kent]

We never escaped - it was all an illusion

Too obscure?

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Too obscure?

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Truman Show?

 

[Trialmaster]

Too obscure?

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Very badly, there will be 1,000's of people unemployed in the UK in many industries. MINI, JLR and other heavy industries will suffer and anything American will be despised.

Very badly thought out policies, we all knew Biden was a sandwich short of a picnic, but this is madness.

The one winner is China, Donald surely your advisers can advise, before you destroy the Western world. I used to love travelling to the States - but no more.

Furthermore, how can any business plan, if the rules suddenly change like this. It is not about protecting the USA, this is destructing and destabilising a world economy. What next - war?

 

[landmannnn]

Very badly, there will be 1,000's of people unemployed in the UK in many industries. MINI, JLR and other heavy industries will suffer and anything American will be despised.

Very badly thought out policies, we all knew Biden was a sandwich short of a picnic, but this is madness.

The one winner is China, Donald surely your advisers can advise, before you destroy the Western world. I used to love travelling to the States - but no more.

Furthermore, how can any business plan, if the rules suddenly change like this. It is not about protecting the USA, this is destructing and destabilising a world economy. What next - war?

The USA does have form in this field...

In the 1930s, particularly with the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930, the United States implemented high tariffs on imports, leading to retaliatory measures from other countries and a significant decline in global trade, exacerbating the Great Depressio

 

[ADVAW8S]

The USA does have form in this field...

In the 1930s, particularly with the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930, the United States implemented high tariffs on imports, leading to retaliatory measures from other countries and a significant decline in global trade, exacerbating the Great Depressio

what's that quote" history doesn't repeat itself but often it rhymes"

 

[Max]

Huge investment and risk to build a combustion engine plant including a foundry with the uncertain business and environmental directions in the US. Given their market position as a premium product probably easier to work the existing German plant harder, pay the tariff and pass on a portion of the increase in costs to the consumer. The rest of the world will still continue to move away from 6 cylinder engines so the US moving back to them will help keep the existing production lines viable. At least ZF has an existing transmission plant in US which should help minimise the total tariff impact on the drivetrain.

The term manufactured is mentioned when checking out the USA BMW senario but no just assembly, another thought could be using an existing foundry but where is the world and the ICE path headed...let's just watch the tariff trade off in the meantime

 

[DaveB]

Well Australia only gets 10% and for some stupid reason he has singled out our beef exports and imports.
We don't allow importation of raw beef from any country that has foot and mouth disease or has a biosecurity risk.
In other words we are protecting our herds from a major disease.
Same goes for other at risk animals.
We are the world's largest exporter of beef and lamb (and camels) because we are disease free.
USA particularly likes our Wagyu beef.
Why would we possibly import US beef?

 

[Tazzieman]

@DaveB the wagyu beef will still be bought by wealthy people who couldn't give a rat's about 10%
Most of the rest I believe goes to McDonald's burgers , so Average Joe will pay the price.
Or they can use more hormonally and antibiotically modified local product in fast food.

 

[DaveB]

@DaveB the wagyu beef will still be bought by wealthy people who couldn't give a rat's about 10%
Most of the rest I believe goes to McDonald's burgers , so Average Joe will pay the price.
Or they can use more hormonally and antibiotically modified local product in fast food.

Yep.
Not to mention all our beef goes out in primal cuts or full sides and then gets broken down by the US importers.
So it will be they who suffer along with the US citizens.

Australian red meat exports set records across the board in 2024 | Meat & Livestock Australia

Last year was the largest year for red meat exports in history, with records set for beef, lamb, mutton and goatmeat, according to Meat & Livestock Australia (MLA).

www.mla.com.au

 

[Shopkeep]

The devil in the detail here is the potential unlimited tax deductibility of interest payments for US made vehicles purchased using finance. 80% of new cars are financed in the US, that’s a mighty powerful incentive to buy local.

 

[DaveB]

looking at this guys video chanel you can see why so many Americans think that desperate action needs to be taken.
Obviously it is showing the worst not the best but still..............

https://youtube.com/@joeandnicsroadtrip?si=vfO-1p9FK4QgpNXz