The Question Thread for 'Greg Clark INEOS Automotive USA Chat (webinar series)'

[Stu_Barnes]

If the website is only setup for USA zip codes then you could always use 90210

I'd be really miffed if they had omitted Canadian post codes.

 

[DaveB]

If the website is only setup for USA zip codes then you could always use 90210

I'd be really miffed if they had omitted Canadian post codes.

I thought that show finished 40 years ago
Beverley Hills postcode

 

[Stu_Barnes]

It did, they tried some cheesy reboot, but money talks, and if they get several hundred replies from Bev Hills.............

 

[MileHigh]

1. Someone mentioned that cars like Gs and 911s are going for over sticker and used prices are crazy…. Were. Not anymore. That is a COVID and perhaps Bitcoin thing. Prices and demand are down- and a pretty wicked recession is looming between now and launch.

2. I tried to submit a question, but it won‘t accept my Zip Code?

3. My questions would be:
a. Exact specs of the exterior hard points for attachment. Like the DIN (?) standard and even a drawing.
b. PDF copies of the manual on line
c.3D scans of the interior and exterior- or CAD drawings. I 3D print a lot of stuff and I’d like to get an idea for those an a rear storage platform.

I guess those are really more demands for info than anything, but I guess my question would be- “What packages or options do I need to order to make sure that I have the most options In accessories for the future? IE wiring or suspension. Besides the Belfast Jacket, do the set packages have things that I won’t be able to individually order?”

AND and explanation of the ‘HEavy Duty seat covers” are those something intended to take on/off, or are teh permanent?


I tried the Jason Priestly work around and it didn’t work. Won’t take any zip code. INEOS website has been a dogs breakfast from the start…

 

[DaveB]

1. Someone mentioned that cars like Gs and 911s are going for over sticker and used prices are crazy…. Were. Not anymore. That is a COVID and perhaps Bitcoin thing. Prices and demand are down- and a pretty wicked recession is looming between now and launch.

2. I tried to submit a question, but it won‘t accept my Zip Code?

3. My questions would be:
a. Exact specs of the exterior hard points for attachment. Like the DIN (?) standard and even a drawing.
b. PDF copies of the manual on line
c.3D scans of the interior and exterior- or CAD drawings. I 3D print a lot of stuff and I’d like to get an idea for those an a rear storage platform.

I guess those are really more demands for info than anything, but I guess my question would be- “What packages or options do I need to order to make sure that I have the most options In accessories for the future? IE wiring or suspension. Besides the Belfast Jacket, do the set packages have things that I won’t be able to individually order?”

As the specification for North America hasn't been finalised yet, and that is clearly stated in numerous places, you are asking questions that can't be answered.
I am not sure how car manufacturers in the US handle information on vehicles that haven't been released yet but it would be amazing if they provided CAD drawings and 3D models in advance to the general public.

 

[Hobbes]

Did BMW already do the EPA compliance on the B57? If so, will they be legal to be driven on the US highway system since crash testing will be done?

I thought I read elsewhere that BMW did have the B57 approved in the US. On the first video Greg stated no diesels for the US because BMW had pulled its support/network for the engine from the US so it didn’t make financial sense, not that it wouldn’t pass emissions. (11:15 mark)

 

[MileHigh]

Did BMW already do the EPA compliance on the B57? If so, will they be legal to be driven on the US highway system since crash testing will be done?

I thought I read elsewhere that BMW did have the B57 approved in the US. On the first video Greg stated no diesels for the US because BMW had pulled its support/network for the engine from the US so it didn’t make financial sense, not that it wouldn’t pass emissions. (11:15 mark)

The B57 family of engines is probably the most popular engine for BMW, or at least available in the most models. In small cars it is the ‘up’ engine. In an X5 it is the base engine. It is even in the Toyota Supra…. I don’t know of this specific tweak has been used, but ones similar in tune have been.

 

[DaveB]

The B57 family of engines is probably the most popular engine for BMW, or at least available in the most models. In small cars it is the ‘up’ engine. In an X5 it is the base engine. It is even in the Toyota Supra…. I don’t know of this specific tweak has been used, but ones similar in tune have been.

I think you have the B57 & B58 mixed up
I don't think there is a diesel Toyota Supra

 

[MileHigh]

I think you have the B57 & B58 mixed up
I don't think there is a diesel Toyota Supra

Yes, thanks. I misread the post and confused the models.

 

[frankkk]

The entire concept of how the US dealer network is set up is to stop manufacturers from controlling pricing
Ineos want to control the pricing but the US system won’t allow them to.

And why wouldn't´it..? Works the same pretty much everywhere. Demand and supply regulate the pricing. With all due respect, but I completely fail to understand the US opposition to that idea..it originated there and the country seems to be thriving on it.

 

[Shopkeep]

And why wouldn't´it..? Works the same pretty much everywhere. Demand and supply regulate the pricing. With all due respect, but I completely fail to understand the US opposition to that idea..it originated there and the country seems to be thriving on it.

I find the negativity to the traditional dealer model curious. These times of shortages and premiums will pass, they are not the norm, and that's when the traditional dealer model will deliver lower prices to most consumers due to competition. I have purchased many, many in demand premium cars over the years and never paid close to retail price; my Grenadier will be the first.

I view the model being used by Ineos akin to Communism or Socialism and the trad dealer model as Democracy.

 

[globalgregors]

I find the negativity to the traditional dealer model curious. These times of shortages and premiums will pass, they are not the norm, and that's when the traditional dealer model will deliver lower prices to most consumers due to competition. I have purchased many, many in demand premium cars over the years and never paid close to retail price; my Grenadier will be the first.

I view the model being used by Ineos akin to Communism or Socialism and the trad dealer model as Democracy.

The UK’s richest man, a petrochemicals industrialist and prominent Brexiteer… is also hatching a global communist corporate insurgency to sell 20K cars p.a?
Wild stuff, these red pills are great.

 

[DCPU]

Did BMW already do the EPA compliance on the B57? If so, will they be legal to be driven on the US highway system since crash testing will be done?

I thought I read elsewhere that BMW did have the B57 approved in the US. On the first video Greg stated no diesels for the US because BMW had pulled its support/network for the engine from the US so it didn’t make financial sense, not that it wouldn’t pass emissions. (11:15 mark)

I'm almost certain that the B57 engine has been fitted in BMW cars sold in the US but it might have only been one model and maybe just for a single model year before BMW announced it was pulling diesel engines from it's entire range.

It's listed under the 530d model:

 

[DaveB]

I'm almost certain that the B57 engine has been fitted in BMW cars sold in the US but it might have only been one model and maybe just for a single model year before BMW announced it was pulling diesel engines from it's entire range.

It's listed under the 530d model:

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I am pretty sure it was fitted in their X5 models which are built in the US

 

[DaveB]

I find the negativity to the traditional dealer model curious. These times of shortages and premiums will pass, they are not the norm, and that's when the traditional dealer model will deliver lower prices to most consumers due to competition. I have purchased many, many in demand premium cars over the years and never paid close to retail price; my Grenadier will be the first.

I view the model being used by Ineos akin to Communism or Socialism and the trad dealer model as Democracy.

Why is it democracy when the car dealer sets the price but not when the car manufacturer sets it?
Communism is when the government sets it. (almost)
Communism, Socialism and Democracy are all forms of government not trade and the US isn't a democracy it is a democratic republic.

 

[TCMColorado]

This thread has made a sharp right turn. Does one else have questions about the Grenadier they would like addressed or are politics and economic theory now the topics at hand.

 

[DCPU]

I am pretty sure it was fitted in their X5 models which are built in the US

I'm trying to confirm that but coming up blank.

2018 is reported as the last year for the diesel engines in the US and from recall reports on the X5, it was being produced with the N57 engine up to 30th June 2018:

Then the first Service Information Bulletin (SIB) for the B57 engine, in the US market, only makes reference to the 540d:

 

[Logsplitter]

I'm trying to confirm that but coming up blank.

2018 is reported as the last year for the diesel engines in the US and from recall reports on the X5, it was being produced with the N57 engine up to 30th June 2018:
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Then the first Service Information Bulletin (SIB) for the B57 engine, in the US market, only makes reference to the 540d:
View attachment 7800175

Thats interesting. I’ve always had that on my mind that fuel dilution due to successive dpf regenerations would increase the engine oil level, albeit at a dilution. I just figured with my Defender that oil change /service interval reminder/ light would account for this and you would change the oil before you got to this stage of too much oil !
Was this an actual fault with the programming for the BMW engine or actually the oil level was too high . I suppose if the oil is too diluted it’s not doing its lubrication job either.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

On that note one of the most thoroughly hijacked threads is closed.

I hope those interested parties managed to get their questions to Greg Clarke.

After cutting and pasting from the list earlier I get the ‘incorrect post code’ notice when finishing up the form.