The Hunters Corner Rod n Gun Club Topics

[Mitchell300]

Is that Scotland you are talking about?

Yes

 

[stickshifter]

This morning coming back from skiing: three elk joining a herd of cows for breakfast. Yesterday there was a herd of around 50 elk.

 

[Shaky]

This is a competition isn’t it.

I can see two but god knows where the third one is.

Do I have to wait until next week for the answer to be published

 

[Spjnr]

@Traffic Most common in Germany at hunters is the .30-06 Garand .. when I started hunting the Creedmoor was rather uncommon. So I wanted something that is sufficient in precision, okay in matter of cost, suitable for most of game, and available (not exotic) - Hunting in public requires lead free bullets and there is a need of mass and speed.
So the range is usually 70- 150yds ..

Thanks for starting the thread! Long time hunter, both driven game and stalking. I use .30-06 here in the UK for deer, and .22-250 for fox control. Our home backs onto a 500acre farm with a woodland in the middle thats owned by a good family friend. Around here it's all fallow deer, and while .30-06 could be considered overkill, its a very versatile cartridge that could easily be loaded up for some trips abroad etc.

I use an old Honda quad to recover carcasses so won't be messing up the back of the Grenadier quite yet!

 

[stickshifter]

This is a competition isn’t it.
I can see two but god knows where the third one is.

Do I have to wait until next week for the answer to be published

Ha ha! I only see two in this photo as well. I think the third one came trotting over the hill after I snapped the photo. I'm getting a new phone / camera soon, so future wildlife shots will be much improved

 

[martinjmknight]

What I need for shooting in UK is lockable drawers in the boot to fit a dismantled shotgun or dismantled rifle such as Blaser R8. The boot seems too short for an assembled shotgun or rifle. For each gun I have a lockable case. So the locked box in the locked drawer meets the police requirements for a locked box in a locked box (I’m told that there is legal dispute as to whether the vehicle itself is a locked box). Then, on top of the drawers, I need a dog box with a partition to separate the dogs. In my case that is because one dog keeps licking the other dog’s ears but other reasons would be dog and bitch, dogs that don’t get on or giving a lift to another person with a dog that is unknown to mine.

 

[martinjmknight]

Thanks for starting the thread! Long time hunter, both driven game and stalking. I use .30-06 here in the UK for deer, and .22-250 for fox control. Our home backs onto a 500acre farm with a woodland in the middle thats owned by a good family friend. Around here it's all fallow deer, and while .30-06 could be considered overkill, its a very versatile cartridge that could easily be loaded up for some trips abroad etc.

I use an old Honda quad to recover carcasses so won't be messing up the back of the Grenadier quite yet!

I do put deer carcasses on the back seat of my current vehicle in a Plasterer’s bath (like a giant baby bath, available from builders merchants and much cheaper than specialist deer carriers. I have therefore ordered the waterproof seat covers for my Grenadier. An old blanket or towel on the seat prevents wear and tear sliding the loaded plasterers bath on and off the seat.

 

[Spjnr]

What I need for shooting in UK is lockable drawers in the boot to fit a dismantled shotgun or dismantled rifle such as Blaser R8. The boot seems too short for an assembled shotgun or rifle. For each gun I have a lockable case. So the locked box in the locked drawer meets the police requirements for a locked box in a locked box (I’m told that there is legal dispute as to whether the vehicle itself is a locked box). Then, on top of the drawers, I need a dog box with a partition to separate the dogs. In my case that is because one dog keeps licking the other dog’s ears but other reasons would be dog and bitch, dogs that don’t get on or giving a lift to another person with a dog that is unknown to mine.

My father in law has that exact set-up built bespoke into the back of his D-max canopy. Even got a fan on top for those hot days early season or throughout the off season. Only thing, it sort of makes the truck a one trick pony (the drawers are very useful though!). The N1 station wagon Grenadier is the ideal starting point for a build like this, as you already have an extra bit more cargo room, and the cargo divider from factory.

 

[stickshifter]

I do put deer carcasses on the back seat of my current vehicle in a Plasterer’s bath (like a giant baby bath, available from builders merchants and much cheaper than specialist deer carriers. I have therefore ordered the waterproof seat covers for my Grenadier. An old blanket or towel on the seat prevents wear and tear sliding the loaded plasterers bath on and off the seat.

I've been wondering what the hunters have been planning for hauling home the carcass. The advantage of a pickup truck.

 

[Spjnr]

I've been wondering what the hunters have been planning for hauling home the carcass. The advantage of a pickup truck.

Old boy I bought my Hilux off had a small ATV winch mounted at the back of the bed. He'd put the deer into a plastic container (like Martin suggested) and winch the whole lot into the back.

 

[bigleonski]

I've been wondering what the hunters have been planning for hauling home the carcass. The advantage of a pickup truck.

Utility flooring, you just hose it out apparently
Just read the brochure

 

[martinjmknight]

I've been wondering what the hunters have been planning for hauling home the carcass. The advantage of a pickup truck..

Watch “deer on the hood prank” on Youtube. Options of roof rack and bonnet seems unacceptable in UK but acceptable in some countries and the carrier on the towbar seems likely to offend and also fail to meet safety regs.

 

[Clunster]

What I need for shooting in UK is lockable drawers in the boot to fit a dismantled shotgun or dismantled rifle such as Blaser R8. The boot seems too short for an assembled shotgun or rifle. For each gun I have a lockable case. So the locked box in the locked drawer meets the police requirements for a locked box in a locked box (I’m told that there is legal dispute as to whether the vehicle itself is a locked box). Then, on top of the drawers, I need a dog box with a partition to separate the dogs. In my case that is because one dog keeps licking the other dog’s ears but other reasons would be dog and bitch, dogs that don’t get on or giving a lift to another person with a dog that is unknown to mine.

I thought the law (UK) was firearms should only be left in cars 'where there is no reasonable alternative'. If your car/guns are nicked you can expect a very hard time from your firearms officer irrespective of whether they are in a locked drawer or not. Helpful mitigation would be removing trigger mechanism and keeping ammo separate but it's still going to be a licence loser.

 

[martinjmknight]

I thought the law (UK) was firearms should only be left in cars 'where there is no reasonable alternative'. If your car/guns are nicked you can expect a very hard time from your firearms officer irrespective of whether they are in a locked drawer or not. Helpful mitigation would be removing trigger mechanism and keeping ammo separate but it's still going to be a licence loser.

Agree with removal of ammo, trigger mechanism, bolt etc. But what about stopping for a pee/food/rest? Even an overnight stop en route to a destination creates problems and as for trains!

 

[Spjnr]

Agree with removal of ammo, trigger mechanism, bolt etc. But what about stopping for a pee/food/rest? Even an overnight stop en route to a destination creates problems and as for trains!

Tbh it's a very murky area, and as with many UK firearms laws, often comes down to individual forces and officers

 

[Clunster]

Agree with removal of ammo, trigger mechanism, bolt etc. But what about stopping for a pee/food/rest? Even an overnight stop en route to a destination creates problems and as for trains!

Yes it's a ballache! I try not to travel alone if taking guns in a car and if I have to I do my best to minimise the time I'm out of site from my vehicle. Lot's of pubs/country hotels have safes which they are usually happy to let customers use if you ask in advance. Trying to check in a gun on a train might be entertaining though

 

[Clunster]

Tbh it's a very murky area, and as with many UK firearms laws, often comes down to individual forces and officers

Fortunately Home Office guidance to Forces on transportation of guns in cars by private individuals makes thing reasonably clear:

The Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing Law sets out steps the
police are likely to consider as according with the duty:
• Any firearms should be hidden, preferably in the locked boot or other secure load
carrying area.
• Vehicles which have to be left unattended for any length of time should ideally have
an immobiliser and/or alarm fitted.
• Where practicable, the bolt, magazine or other operating part should be separated
from the firearm and either carried on the person or kept in a locked container, ideally
secured to the vehicle or concealed elsewhere.
• Where possible, ammunition should be stored separately and this too should be
concealed from view.
• Where possible, the vehicle should be parked within sight of the responsible person
and in a position that would frustrate attempts to enter it unlawfully (e.g. with the boot
close to a wall).
• In estates and hatchbacks, the lid or cover of the load carrying area should be in
place, and if ammunition has to be stored inside, it should be in a locked container
ideally secured to the vehicle.
• A vehicle regularly used to carry guns should be fitted with a device for securing the
guns to the vehicle, such as a security case, cage, cable or clamp.

 

[stickshifter]

Agree with removal of ammo, trigger mechanism, bolt etc. But what about stopping for a pee/food/rest? Even an overnight stop en route to a destination creates problems and as for trains!

This is why trucks like the Ford F250 (and others) can be purchased with a gun safe installed from the factory. These are 12-gauge steel safes, welded tab and notch seams, bolted into the vehicle (bolts are on the inside of the safe), drill-resistant locks, etc. No one is getting into these safes at a trailhead, or in a quick smash & grab; a thief would probably have to steal the vehicle, and take it to a garage where they could work on it with a power drill.

Aftermarket companies like Lock'er Down make safes for many different vehicles: https://www.lockerdown.com/

Back when the forum first got going, a bunch of us asked Ineos about a similar option from the factory (since the aftermarket may be slow to develop something for the Grenadier), and what we got was a locking center console that will prevent theft by a lazy or incompetent thief, but is not appropriate for firearms, or for anything you are serious about protecting.

 

[DaveB]

Agree with removal of ammo, trigger mechanism, bolt etc. But what about stopping for a pee/food/rest? Even an overnight stop en route to a destination creates problems and as for trains!

40 years ago I used to shoot handguns at a pistol range which is under the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the old tram tunnels on Thursday evenings
I caught the public bus across from the North Sydney side of the bridge where I lived to The Rocks on the south side.
I used to carry a S&W model 19 revolver and a Hi Standard 22 super citation in a briefcase with a couple of hundred rounds for each
I used the briefcase because I thought it would be more discrete
Unfortunately as I was walking up the aisle of the bus the hinges on the briefcase broke and everything inside fell to the floor.
I was madly scrabbling around the floor with a gun tucked under my armpit and another shoved in the back of my pants trying to pick up .38 special rounds
Luckily the 22 rounds stayed in their plastic case
pretty sure every passenger got off at the next stop

 

[DCPU]

This is a competition isn’t it.

I can see two but god knows where the third one is.

Do I have to wait until next week for the answer to be published

Who do you think took the photo?