The Grenadier is the Toyota Landcrusier and Jeep Wagnoneer that we should have gotten

[lightning]

There's currently huge numbers of late model old Defenders for sale, don't know if its the LEZ's killing them, it certainly is in places like London.

Although some dealers are trying for high prices they're not selling unless more reasonably priced.

You can get a very nice low mileage one for £30,000.

Higher mileage are half the price. l looked at a 110 XS Station Wagon (top of the range model) last month with 110,000 miles.
lt drove really well, the owner had done all the important jobs such as the output shaft and clutch.
The bodywork was clean with no rust as was the chassis.

Price was £17,000 ono
lt's still for sale.

 

[Coullabus]

Keir Starmers best mate, she was on the news for putting on little shows for uk politicians

He’ll go anywhere if it’s free!

 

[victrialmaster]

A re-boot of the Equalizer, to replace the Jaguar sedan he drove…
A Jack Carr shoot’em up series.

Jack Carr wrote one of his side ally characters in a recent James Reese novel to drive a Grenadier. Jack even went to the USA press launch, so I reckon we might see a Grenadier in the new Terminal list prequel series or season 2 of the main one.

Also, for those in the USA talking about the new 'Land Cruiser' it's not a Cruiser, it's a Cruiser Prado, we get the 'real' cruiser 70 series & 300 series here in Aus, Suckers

 

[Nevada Grenadier]

Jack Carr wrote one of his side ally characters in a recent James Reese novel to drive a Grenadier. Jack even went to the USA press launch, so I reckon we might see a Grenadier in the new Terminal list prequel series or season 2 of the main one.

Also, for those in the USA talking about the new 'Land Cruiser' it's not a Cruiser, it's a Cruiser Prado, we get the 'real' cruiser 70 series & 300 series here in Aus, Suckers

Hurts but you are not wrong about the "real" Land Cruiser.

 

[255/85]

There's currently huge numbers of late model old Defenders for sale, don't know if its the LEZ's killing them, it certainly is in places like London.

Although some dealers are trying for high prices they're not selling unless more reasonably priced.

You can get a very nice low mileage one for £30,000.

Higher mileage are half the price. l looked at a 110 XS Station Wagon (top of the range model) last month with 110,000 miles.
lt drove really well, the owner had done all the important jobs such as the output shaft and clutch.
The bodywork was clean with no rust as was the chassis.

Price was £17,000 ono
lt's still for sale.

Interesting that prices have come down. 40 series Land Cruiser prices have (thankfully) fallen from their irrational peak a couple of years ago too. I'd think there's some connection (however small) to Grenadier availability. The reality of driving a tractor tends to dampen enthusiasm eventually. Certainly Defenders have lost some status with youtube content creators as well.

It's too bad all those UK right hand drive models aren't worth as much in the US. Even the LR Workshop & Expedition guy just drove across half a continent to get a late model LHD 110. He was on this forum I think maybe very early on. Maybe he's planning a sale to a US buyer in 15 years?

 

[Rupert]

Right now the long-time hard core Toyota fans are mostly badmouthing Grenadiers. They know about them but refuse to acknowledge their attributes. You can tell because the complaints are all minor gripes that make little sense like complaining about not coming with 35s or no third row seat or wanting air lockers blah blah blah. I think it's really just a question of the entry cost compared to the (diminishing) stock of 60/80 series vehicles - at least in the States. When these vehicles start coming off of warranty in five years they'll be all over them like flies on sh*t.

Im a long term toyota guy, still have a 2020 Land Cruiser. Keeping it and also upfitting the Gren for off road. Not that the LC will ever die, but juswt another tool in arsenal. I like the Gren a lot but still waiting for some good skids. Once they come out I may in fact go ahead and take the Gren off road. Brnad new I hate off roading them until I get a couple whiskey dents, then all will be well. I def think the undercarriage is exposed too much, but nothing that a good set of skids wont fix.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

Im a long term toyota guy, still have a 2020 Land Cruiser. Keeping it and also upfitting the Gren for off road. Not that the LC will ever die, but juswt another tool in arsenal. I like the Gren a lot but still waiting for some good skids. Once they come out I may in fact go ahead and take the Gren off road. Brnad new I hate off roading them until I get a couple whiskey dents, then all will be well. I def think the undercarriage is exposed too much, but nothing that a good set of skids wont fix.

I purchase and had the SPP undercarriage protection kit installed few weeks ago (8 pieces and had them powder coated to match the red factory painted frame). Have you checked into this set up (pics below)? Btw, also long term Toyota guy too. On another thread posted some pics of my 2022 Tundra. Almost always have had a Toyota or two in my little personal fleet, but IMO this Grenadier is now my personal favorite vehicle of all time!!!!!!

 

[Rupert]

I have not seen that. Very cool I will have to check it out. I have the full set of BudBuilt skids on my LC, had Shrockworks on my 4Runner as well. Love underbody skids and it seems more hting are exposed under the Gren than most any other auto. Are these aluminum or steel? Ill go check them out for sure

 

[Rupert]

One last question, do they just bolt up or is there drilling involved?

 

[Rupert]

Is this it?

Skid Plate Bundle – Full Under Body Protection for Ineos Grenadier – Powder Coated Black – SPP OVERLAND

The Skidplate bundle in Black powder coated Aluminum gives you the maximum protection for your Grenadier! It protects all critical parts such as the engine, transmission, front/rear differential, subframe, gas tank and trailing arm. It is also available in uncoated aluminum. Give your Grenadier...

shop.rre-global.com

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

One last question, do they just bolt up or is there drilling involved?

All direct bolt on, all steel, no drilling at all and my install guy said was the thickest/heaviest and best undercarriage kit he’s ever installed, and he has done a lot!!

Is this it?

Skid Plate Bundle – Full Under Body Protection for Ineos Grenadier – Powder Coated Black – SPP OVERLAND

The Skidplate bundle in Black powder coated Aluminum gives you the maximum protection for your Grenadier! It protects all critical parts such as the engine, transmission, front/rear differential, subframe, gas tank and trailing arm. It is also available in uncoated aluminum. Give your Grenadier...

shop.rre-global.com

Yes, but I bought mine from:

Accessories for your INEOS Grenadier

Offer of selected accessories for the Ineos Grenadier. Grennibag, the underseat bag made of Cordura, underrun protection, roof racks, roof tents, car awnings, rock sliders, camper boxes, seat covers, all types of add-on parts as well as items for the underbody protection of off-road off-road...

grenadier.parts

 

[255/85]

Im a long term toyota guy, still have a 2020 Land Cruiser. Keeping it and also upfitting the Gren for off road. Not that the LC will ever die, but juswt another tool in arsenal. I like the Gren a lot but still waiting for some good skids. Once they come out I may in fact go ahead and take the Gren off road. Brnad new I hate off roading them until I get a couple whiskey dents, then all will be well. I def think the undercarriage is exposed too much, but nothing that a good set of skids wont fix.

Whiskey dents. Heh heh.

 

[Michael_in_Baja]

I have to push back on any comparison between the Grenadier and the Toyota Landcrusier or Jeep Wagnoneer just based on the souless nature of either of the later.

 

[MileHigh]

I purchase and had the SPP undercarriage protection kit installed few weeks ago (8 pieces and had them powder coated to match the red factory painted frame). Have you checked into this set up (pics below)? Btw, also long term Toyota guy too. On another thread posted some pics of my 2022 Tundra. Almost always have had a Toyota or two in my little personal fleet, but IMO this Grenadier is now my personal favorite vehicle of all time!!!!!!
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That is really interesting looking. How does it look with a vehicle on the ground? Even my wife who’s not in the flashy stuff thought that the red frame would’ve been an interesting addition to the Donnie Gray Grenadier. This might be a way to add some color without being obnoxious

I have to push back on any comparison between the Grenadier and the Toyota Landcrusier or Jeep Wagnoneer just based on the souless nature of either of the later.

I think the Jeep Wagoneer and grand Wagoneer kind of lost their way. And as people have mentioned, we don’t have the land cruiser, we have a Prado. Considering that Jeep and Toyota were kind of trying to do a throwback play, something more a kin to the Grenadier would’ve fit the bill better I think. But then again, those would be a big threats to the Grenadier. Better to have the space all to itself largely.

 

[angstorms]

Before I decided to go the Grenadier route I was looking at FJ 80 Triple locked and Land Rover Defender ( 1990's), in 2020 and 2021. Back then FJZ80 were going for crazy money to get a clean one. $30-35K since you had bid on them. Looking at clean 1990's Defender 110 were even higher dollars then FJ80, then went into the stratosphere if you wanted North American version to avoid all the hassle of SMOG certification.

It was also bit laughable what Bring a Trailer was hauling in on even Imported Defenders as well as FJ back then. All of them needed Investment beyond purchase, engine work, suspension etc.

I will say doing my homework looking at these trucks, It really made it easy to go down the Grenadier path since if feels like there successor.

 

[Jackattack13]

Toyota has made some interesting decisions when it comes to their off-road lineup in the U.S. Most hard core wheeler types want nothing to do with IFS, and I can hardly see them jumping into an LX700h, even if it is 20 years old. They put 3x lockers on a soccer mom mobile, refusing to give us the 300, and lets not get started on their pushing of the Hybrid tech on their "Offroad" models. The new 250 is a joke and the closest thing we have to a decent offroad machine off the lot is the GX550 Overtrail (which as yet to be proven and needs mods off the lot due to the sad approach angle)

I have a 100 Series LC that is built for adventure, 3X locked and has taken me anywhere I have asked it to go. Unfortunately, the only other place to go from there is the 200 Series IMO. And once again, they never offered lockers in the 200, nor a base trim with barn doors and less fluff, and is honestly a bit bloated for harder trails that certain crowds would want to run.

Toyota says there is no market for the 70 Series LC in the U.S. but the Gladiator and Ineos are starting to negate those false claims. What they should say is that its part of a market they don't want to cater to in the U.S. I fully understand that the 79 is not for everyone, but neither is a Jeep Wrangler. But I honestly wouldn't be shocked if they pulled some of the die-hard Jeepers over if they were to offer a solid front axle LC, especially if they shocked the world and dropped a turbo diesel in North America. But in the end they tried to pull a fast one, calling the Prado a Land Cruiser and only truly appeased the Soccer Moms and 4Runner Bros and showed us all that the LC is pretty much dead in the U.S. Which is a shame because the GR-Sport LC 300 is gorgeous!

 

[MileHigh]

The lack of differentiation between the 2025+ LC and 4Runner is the one where I scratch my head. If anything the LC should have been 'above' the Lx550, at least in terms of offroad gear and performance.

 

[Jackattack13]

The lack of differentiation between the 2025+ LC and 4Runner is the one where I scratch my head. If anything the LC should have been 'above' the Lx550, at least in terms of offroad gear and performance.

Agree 100 percent! And lets not forget that the new 2025 Trail Hunter 4Runner is better equipped with off-road goodies then the 2025 LC. Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea?

 

[Krabby]

This obviously isn't a Toyota forum (or thread for that matter) - but I thoroughly regret selling my FJ80. It was a 92...had it been a 94 (with the updated engine and triple lockers) I doubt I would have sold it. Not unlike my long-gone Disco II, the 80 series was a great combination of ability and looks - I might go so far as to suggest the LC 80 might be the best looking off roader ever, but I won't

The whole new "LC"/4Runner thing is very weird and I think Toyota got that wrong TBH. . Granted the 4Runner allows you to avoid the hybrid thing and the LC name might carry some sway to people not in the know that it isn't a "real" LC - but they are really alike. Not sure what the thought process was there.

If you're interested in the history of things, this is a really well done video on the FJ story and how, in the eyes of the presenter, Toyota messed up with the new NA offering.

 

[angstorms]

The lack of differentiation between the 2025+ LC and 4Runner is the one where I scratch my head. If anything the LC should have been 'above' the Lx550, at least in terms of offroad gear and performance.

Also in the LC250 and 4Runner, I just can not drive a 4 cylinder engine even with Turbos and small hybrid system ( not happy about they picked heaviest battery tech Nickel based, ) , even with good 4 cylinder from Audi or BMW, every time they would give me loaner with 4 Cylinder and turbos car I felt like I had Hamster running on treadmill getting the engine going and they why they whine. Rather listen to two cycle motor. One positive LX550 other then melting Mirrors and possible that engine and transmission will be recalled like Tundra, it is a V6.

I guess the 4 runner best delta is windshield is not a upright, but here Colorado I see them cracked all the time on current trucks, but it also selectable 4wd so you can drop to 2 wheel when it is summer time driving, but you still have Hamster up front like LC250. I like the 4runner aka 2024 and older 4 but they were just to underpowered for the the Mountains were I live, I go up in friend of mine to Purg with him when we ski together, it just chugs in thin atmosphere, Still great looking truck. It is also the official Truck of Durango there are everywhere here, and the car of choice is Subaru.

This where the Grenadier is so much better at running up in the mountains from 6,000 - 11,000 feet rolling up Hwy 550, for a tubby tank, it can really accelerate when you have to, also have to watch how heavy your foot gets.