Americas Software Update for ADAS etc. coming in 60 days for NA.

[bikesandguitars]

The fuel warning is obviously set as it is to warn when your off-road adventure better include long-range plans for fueling up. It's very, very obviously not meant to warn you if you need to stop at one of the six-dozen fuel stations between your home and the airport.

As for the ADAS overspeed click sand the general nanny state that new cars are currently suffering, I have discovered that the ADAS is a very minor inconvenience compared to the new Toyota LTA (Lane Tracking Assist) that came on my '24 Tacoma TRD Pro. Toyota's LTA is set somewhere between "Tesla self-driving" and "Help! I'm being car-jacked!" It literally - I'm not exaggeraging - rips the steering wheel from your hands to "forcefully correct" your place on the road. It is the most maddening feature I've ever encountered on an automobile. And, just like the Ineos ADA, it is not permanently defeatable. It resets with every stop. To make matters worse, it's also not reliably turned off. There seems to be some extra setting that I am just not figuring out. I'm on the verge of getting rid of the Tacoma because of it.

The LTA is downright dangerous on icy roads. I live in the mountains of Colorado. (It is currently -4 Farenheit. ) Yesterday, I absent mindedly swerved out of my lane to avoid an icy patch that had blown over with crusty snow. I forgot the LTA hann't been turned off. The Tacoma wasn't having it and steered me back on to the ice. If you're not familiar with driving on ice, sudden corrections in steering are never advised. Sure enough, my back end changed direction and the Tacoma's traction control violently saved me from ending up off the road. Not a pleasant driving experience. I'll take a few audible clicks any day of the week.

 

[Grendel]

I just want my car/truck to leave me alone and let me drive how I want to. Seems most everyone else is heading towards wanting the car/truck to drive for them. I think I am a dinosaur.

 

[FlyersFan76]

Did they clearly state how well it would work and the insistent alarms or did they just assume their American consumers, most who had never heard of ADAS, would investigate it like shaggy?

I do not think that there is one manufacturer that has any system that works well, nor would anyone really notice until they owned the vehicle.

LR automatic high beams too not sensitive enough and do not dim.

Ford rear view mirror dims so much it is unusable.

Cadillac rear parking sensors so sensitive that backing into the garage requires you to go really really slow or the truck will stop hard.

If Ineos made the seats vibrate instead of a loud bong like some manufactures do then this ADAS issue would probably not matter as much if at all.

 

[anand]

Cadillac rear parking sensors so sensitive that backing into the garage requires you to go really really slow or the truck will stop hard.

Subaru has the same issue with their RAB system; unless you are reversing while on the brake (our driveway is uphill, so that's unique) it will jam on the brakes about 2ft from our trash bin (she parks her Forester within about 3" of the trash bin to fit in the driveway)

 

[mcdoogs]

The ADAS isn't broken, isn't causing harm and isn't dangerous it's just annoying in the United States because it isn't required.

I agree, it does what it says it does on the tin. I do think a case could be made that from the UX (user experience) context though it is broken.

I mean, professionally if I built and released a feature that my users hated as much as people seem to hate ADAS I'd consider it, if not broken, then certainly in need of immediate re-design.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

Subaru has the same issue with their RAB system; unless you are reversing while on the brake (our driveway is uphill, so that's unique) it will jam on the brakes about 2ft from our trash bin (she parks her Forester within about 3" of the trash bin to fit in the driveway)

Ah uphill, so that’s why I never experienced intrusive behavior from our Subaru’s rab. Can you blame them though? What proportion of owners would back into a parking spot without riding the brakes?

 

[HereinDaRockies]

I agree, it does what it says it does on the tin. I do think a case could be made that from the UX (user experience) context though it is broken.

I mean, professionally if I built and released a feature that my users hated as much as people seem to hate ADAS I'd consider it, if not broken, then certainly in need of immediate re-design.

Ineos is an antiquated oil & gas company .. they don’t know this sht at all, and it shows

 

[PDX_Keith]

ADAS was openly stated on the MY24 brochure and pamphlets that were available prior to the ordering books opening in 2023

I agree that ADAS distracts drivers, but a court will just hear "my car beeps when I break the speed limit". Maybe if you argued that it gets the speed limit wrong and encourages unsafe driving...

If you genuinely consider the car unsafe then I guess you could file a report with NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2024/INEOS/GRENADIER . You could also just disable ADAS and tape over the warning lights (not ideal I know).

I was just stirring the pot, in jest. People get far too worked up about this stuff.

 

[Jiman01]

The fuel warning is obviously set as it is to warn when your off-road adventure better include long-range plans for fueling up. It's very, very obviously not meant to warn you if you need to stop at one of the six-dozen fuel stations between your home and the airport.

As for the ADAS overspeed click sand the general nanny state that new cars are currently suffering, I have discovered that the ADAS is a very minor inconvenience compared to the new Toyota LTA (Lane Tracking Assist) that came on my '24 Tacoma TRD Pro. Toyota's LTA is set somewhere between "Tesla self-driving" and "Help! I'm being car-jacked!" It literally - I'm not exaggeraging - rips the steering wheel from your hands to "forcefully correct" your place on the road. It is the most maddening feature I've ever encountered on an automobile. And, just like the Ineos ADA, it is not permanently defeatable. It resets with every stop. To make matters worse, it's also not reliably turned off. There seems to be some extra setting that I am just not figuring out. I'm on the verge of getting rid of the Tacoma because of it.

The LTA is downright dangerous on icy roads. I live in the mountains of Colorado. (It is currently -4 Farenheit. ) Yesterday, I absent mindedly swerved out of my lane to avoid an icy patch that had blown over with crusty snow. I forgot the LTA hann't been turned off. The Tacoma wasn't having it and steered me back on to the ice. If you're not familiar with driving on ice, sudden corrections in steering are never advised. Sure enough, my back end changed direction and the Tacoma's traction control violently saved me from ending up off the road. Not a pleasant driving experience. I'll take a few audible clicks any day of the week.

Damn!! You win…that sounds horrible. What is up with Toyota these days?

 

[FlyersFan76]

I just want my car/truck to leave me alone and let me drive how I want to. Seems most everyone else is heading towards wanting the car/truck to drive for them. I think I am a dinosaur.

The fuel warning is obviously set as it is to warn when your off-road adventure better include long-range plans for fueling up. It's very, very obviously not meant to warn you if you need to stop at one of the six-dozen fuel stations between your home and the airport.

As for the ADAS overspeed click sand the general nanny state that new cars are currently suffering, I have discovered that the ADAS is a very minor inconvenience compared to the new Toyota LTA (Lane Tracking Assist) that came on my '24 Tacoma TRD Pro. Toyota's LTA is set somewhere between "Tesla self-driving" and "Help! I'm being car-jacked!" It literally - I'm not exaggeraging - rips the steering wheel from your hands to "forcefully correct" your place on the road. It is the most maddening feature I've ever encountered on an automobile. And, just like the Ineos ADA, it is not permanently defeatable. It resets with every stop. To make matters worse, it's also not reliably turned off. There seems to be some extra setting that I am just not figuring out. I'm on the verge of getting rid of the Tacoma because of it.

The LTA is downright dangerous on icy roads. I live in the mountains of Colorado. (It is currently -4 Farenheit. ) Yesterday, I absent mindedly swerved out of my lane to avoid an icy patch that had blown over with crusty snow. I forgot the LTA hann't been turned off. The Tacoma wasn't having it and steered me back on to the ice. If you're not familiar with driving on ice, sudden corrections in steering are never advised. Sure enough, my back end changed direction and the Tacoma's traction control violently saved me from ending up off the road. Not a pleasant driving experience. I'll take a few audible clicks any day of the week.

That isn't just bad but that is beyond dangerously bad.

Something I will certainly keep in mind when shopping for a pickup truck in the future. I can't imagine what a student driver would deal with something like that.

 

[donnygreygrenadier]

I picked my Gren up after its first dealer service on Friday. I had complained that the ADAS never displays the correct speed limit, so for example, it shows 25mph when the actual posted speed limit is different, triggering the ADAS response (if I have not turned it off). They detected the fuel level plausibility stored code** which they said gives them (IA) permission to perform TSB 003368. The result is that ADAS now correctly reads speed limit signs as you pass them! This doesn't solve the overall ADAS issue, but it is a huge improvement to have the actual speed limit displayed, and, if you do not turn ADAS off it will not pop until you actually exceed the posted limit.

** About that fuel level plausibility code, this is the error that some have reported a check engine light after refueling. I never had a CEL or any telltale lights, but the dealer said the code was stored.

Another software update was TSB003935 Turn Signal Coding.

Did the Turn Signal Coding fix the annoying turn signal noises that range from clicking to loud static bongs?

 

[Tom109]

Did the Turn Signal Coding fix the annoying turn signal noises that range from clicking to loud static bongs?

No idea. I didn’t have any turn signal issue prior to this update.

 

[[ Adam ]]

The ADAS isn't broken, isn't causing harm and isn't dangerous it's just annoying in the United States because it isn't required.

But this doesn't sound nearly as interesting as "Class action!!!!x

 

[ecohen2]

But this doesn't sound nearly as interesting as "Class action!!!!x

Of the multiple car forums I belong to I am really surprised at how negative and quick to throw INEOS under the bus owners are here. The choices INEOS made when it comes to the major components is really impressive. The customer service is actually better than most automotive startups, which is not great but at least with Red Noland it's way better than our local Mercedes and Alfa Romeo dealers.

If you think GM, Ford etc are better then go for it. Depending on what GM decides to do with their engine problem, you might even have a chance for a Class Action lawsuit and wait years before you get any compensation or fix.

Nearly 900,000 V8-Powered GM Vehicles Are Under Investigation

The investigation covers vehicles produced between 2019 and 2024.

carbuzz.com

Me? I rather take my chances with a startup that is about moving forward and not just cutting losses...

 

[FlyersFan76]

Of the multiple car forums I belong to I am really surprised at how negative and quick to throw INEOS under the bus owners are here. The choices INEOS made when it comes to the major components is really impressive. The customer service is actually better than most automotive startups, which is not great but at least with Red Noland it's way better than our local Mercedes and Alfa Romeo dealers.

If you think GM, Ford etc are better then go for it. Depending on what GM decides to do with their engine problem, you might even have a chance for a Class Action lawsuit and wait years before you get any compensation or fix.

Nearly 900,000 V8-Powered GM Vehicles Are Under Investigation

The investigation covers vehicles produced between 2019 and 2024.

carbuzz.com

Me? I rather take my chances with a startup that is about moving forward and not just cutting losses...

I wonder if this "engine" problem is related to auto start. A guy I work with had a Diesel Tahoe that wouldn't start back up at a traffic light. Had to be dragged onto a flat bed and sat at the dealer or over a month. Turns out battery cables were loose. It had less than 500 miles on it.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Of the multiple car forums I belong to I am really surprised at how negative and quick to throw INEOS under the bus owners are here. The choices INEOS made when it comes to the major components is really impressive. The customer service is actually better than most automotive startups, which is not great but at least with Red Noland it's way better than our local Mercedes and Alfa Romeo dealers.

If you think GM, Ford etc are better then go for it. Depending on what GM decides to do with their engine problem, you might even have a chance for a Class Action lawsuit and wait years before you get any compensation or fix.

Nearly 900,000 V8-Powered GM Vehicles Are Under Investigation

The investigation covers vehicles produced between 2019 and 2024.

carbuzz.com

Me? I rather take my chances with a startup that is about moving forward and not just cutting losses...

Clearly, we are delicate snowflakes who are compensating. Thank you ChatGPT - again

 

[homeyclaus]

Of the multiple car forums I belong to I am really surprised at how negative and quick to throw INEOS under the bus owners are here. The choices INEOS made when it comes to the major components is really impressive. The customer service is actually better than most automotive startups, which is not great but at least with Red Noland it's way better than our local Mercedes and Alfa Romeo dealers.

If you think GM, Ford etc are better then go for it. Depending on what GM decides to do with their engine problem, you might even have a chance for a Class Action lawsuit and wait years before you get any compensation or fix.

Nearly 900,000 V8-Powered GM Vehicles Are Under Investigation

The investigation covers vehicles produced between 2019 and 2024.

carbuzz.com

Me? I rather take my chances with a startup that is about moving forward and not just cutting losses...

I would chalk up the complaints here as frustration because INEOS got so darn close to what they consider ideal.

You know, the drink is perfect, but then you take one bite of the bar snacks and ... Ewww.

 

[bikesandguitars]

That isn't just bad but that is beyond dangerously bad.

Something I will certainly keep in mind when shopping for a pickup truck in the future. I can't imagine what a student driver would deal with something like that.

What is dangerously bad? The fact that hundreds of millions of drivers on every single continent over 100 years have been able to navigate to a fuel station before they run out of fuel long before “distance remaining” indicators were installed?
Student drivers are perfectly capable of reading a fuel gauge. But maybe yours aren’t. I guess a “your mileage may vary” disclaimer is very appropriate here.

 

[Krabby]

What is dangerously bad? The fact that hundreds of millions of drivers on every single continent over 100 years have been able to navigate to a fuel station before they run out of fuel long before “distance remaining” indicators were installed?
Student drivers are perfectly capable of reading a fuel gauge. But maybe yours aren’t. I guess a “your mileage may vary” disclaimer is very appropriate here.

I believe he was referring to the Toyota Lane Assist and not the low fuel warning.

 

[FlyersFan76]

What is dangerously bad? The fact that hundreds of millions of drivers on every single continent over 100 years have been able to navigate to a fuel station before they run out of fuel long before “distance remaining” indicators were installed?
Student drivers are perfectly capable of reading a fuel gauge. But maybe yours aren’t. I guess a “your mileage may vary” disclaimer is very appropriate here.

I was referring to the Toyota Lane Ass