General Oil check

[Eric]

If you have a diesel you do, so I assume yours is a petrol?

Isn't the diesel engine dipstick a carry over from a different sump layout, as I thought the Grenadier was a dry sump system that is why the engine needs to be running. I could be wrong, I usually am.

 

[DCPU]

Isn't the diesel engine dipstick a carry over from a different sump layout

Very possibly yes.

as I thought the Grenadier was a dry sump system that is why the engine needs to be running. I could be wrong, I usually am.

No dry sump system in the Grenadier.

 

[ECrider]

Think somebody already mentioned cross referencing correct oil level via refill/digital gauge and then viewing where that registered on the dipstick. Whether that marries up well or not remains to be seen.

 

[Eric]

Very possibly yes.


No dry sump system in the Grenadier.

Told you I am usually wrong

 

[DCPU]

Told you I am usually wrong

But was that your first or second thought?

 

[Firestarter_phil]

Hi there member, I am a little troubled by not having a dipstick and relying on technology to tell me that it has oil, but hey ho…..it where we are.
That said, I’m struggling to get mine to read the oil level. It starts the process, revs rise etc, and then after 20 secs or so (didn’t actually time it) it aborts the process.
I have the vehicle up to temperature, in P and am on a level surface. Am I doing something wrong, or is it?
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Hi there,
I just wanted to follow up on this. I got back in contact with the agency that supplied it to see if I was doing anything wrong. They said that I was doing it all, correctly, and then they went and checked 3 of the other Petrol ones they have in stock…….all did the same thing!

My immediate concern was…….so how did they check the oil as part of the PDI and does anyone actually know whether there has ever been the right amount of oil in the vehicle!

It’s very worrisome to have a situation where you can’t do a fluid check on the engine. Now……I know I can’t do it on the diff or on the gearbox/transfer box easily either, but I also know that they don’t burn oil in the same manner as a Petrol BMW engine.


So, my question to the forum……..has any petrol engined owner, ever successfully completed an oil level check, digitally?

 

[DaveB]

Hi there,
I just wanted to follow up on this. I got back in contact with the agency that supplied it to see if I was doing anything wrong. They said that I was doing it all, correctly, and then they went and checked 3 of the other Petrol ones they have in stock…….all did the same thing!

My immediate concern was…….so how did they check the oil as part of the PDI and does anyone actually know whether there has ever been the right amount of oil in the vehicle!

It’s very worrisome to have a situation where you can’t do a fluid check on the engine. Now……I know I can’t do it on the diff or on the gearbox/transfer box easily either, but I also know that they don’t burn oil in the same manner as a Petrol BMW engine.


So, my question to the forum……..has any petrol engined owner, ever successfully completed an oil level check, digitally?

The thing that surprises me is that this is the same on may modern BMW's, so how are the thousands of BMW owners checking the oil.
I am also wondering how you check the oil on the ZF transmission.
Or is that dipstick in the back of the engine actually for the transmission oil level?

 

[Firestarter_phil]

The thing that surprises me is that this is the same on may modern BMW's, so how are the thousands of BMW owners checking the oil.
I am also wondering how you check the oil on the ZF transmission.
Or is that dipstick in the back of the engine actually for the transmission oil level?

I spoke with a mate with the same engine in his X5 and it runs an oil check each time you start the engine…..the same happens in the Porsche 911 every time you turn the ignition on. It seems the Grenadier software is the glitch right now.

 

[Hannes01]

By the way, we have 3 cars with this petrol engine, not one ever needs oil!

 

[CountyV8]

Hi there,
I just wanted to follow up on this. I got back in contact with the agency that supplied it to see if I was doing anything wrong. They said that I was doing it all, correctly, and then they went and checked 3 of the other Petrol ones they have in stock…….all did the same thing!

My immediate concern was…….so how did they check the oil as part of the PDI and does anyone actually know whether there has ever been the right amount of oil in the vehicle!

It’s very worrisome to have a situation where you can’t do a fluid check on the engine. Now……I know I can’t do it on the diff or on the gearbox/transfer box easily either, but I also know that they don’t burn oil in the same manner as a Petrol BMW engine.


So, my question to the forum……..has any petrol engined owner, ever successfully completed an oil level check, digitally?

Yes and no The. oil check said oil for on road was ok but off road needed. another 500ml but when dealer checked. the old reading on their computer was correct have done some off-roading only about. 14 miles with no ill effect.

 

[AWo]

No dry sump system in the Grenadier.

Dry sump lubrication is for race cars to guarantee lubrication while high centrifugal forces force the oil to move away from the pump inlet to the engine and sump walls. Normal 4x4s (and I consider the IG still as a normal 4x4) use an oil trap to keep things going which would not work when these centrifugal forces apply, but still when driving on a slope. Trophy prototypes etc which drive fast and/or at extreme angles may have dry sump engines.

A dry sump system would have a small oilpan and an additional oil tank somewhere on the engine bay and more than one oil pump.

AWo

 

[DCPU]

By the way, we have 3 cars with this petrol engine, not one ever needs oil!

Rather depends on how much was put in in the factory though. Mine's says put 500 ml in for the offroad level.

My power steering fluid was below minimum.

Maybe I should be checking other levels...

 

[DCPU]

I spoke with a mate with the same engine in his X5 and it runs an oil check each time you start the engine

So it can be run with a cold engine?

It seems the Grenadier software is the glitch right now.

Well it's certainly not running the software suggested by the status values shown in the handbook:

 

[Tomdoc]

Tried mine today - was registering OK "on road" value but it aborted the test - don't know why.

 

[PBD]

Tried mine today - was registering OK "on road" value but it aborted the test - don't know why.

It is perhaps the same as mine, saying test aborted when in fact it has been completed and is ok.
It has been forwarded to the factory for the wording to be altered.
I will check mine when I get it back next week to see if the updater has altered it,

 

[JohnHeagney]

Hi there,
I just wanted to follow up on this. I got back in contact with the agency that supplied it to see if I was doing anything wrong. They said that I was doing it all, correctly, and then they went and checked 3 of the other Petrol ones they have in stock…….all did the same thing!

My immediate concern was…….so how did they check the oil as part of the PDI and does anyone actually know whether there has ever been the right amount of oil in the vehicle!

It’s very worrisome to have a situation where you can’t do a fluid check on the engine. Now……I know I can’t do it on the diff or on the gearbox/transfer box easily either, but I also know that they don’t burn oil in the same manner as a Petrol BMW engine.


So, my question to the forum……..has any petrol engined owner, ever successfully completed an oil level check, digitally?

Yes, I have and it advised me how much oil to add too! Took about 3 minutes to complete.

 

[emax]

I am also wondering how you check the oil on the ZF transmission.

Checking the oil in a ZF HP8 is not the same as checking in the engine. I actually don't know if this is even possible with something as simple as a dipstick or sensor (but I don't think so).

When you change the oil, getting it to the right level is a complicated process. The gearbox and oil must be at the correct temperature. After draining the oil and replacing the oil filter (i.e. the entire oil pan), you need to fill in a precisely defined amount of oil. Then bring the engine to a defined speed and check the temperature. Shift through all gears at a defined engine speed and continue, etc. ...

Christian & Vera made a video of it. I don't remember the exact procedure, but then I understood why repair shops say, "No oil change required, lifetime filling."

This is completely wrong because ZF defines a change interval. However, it is a risk for the workshop, as all parameters must be meticulously adhered to and the work flow must be carried out carefully. A lot can go wrong and that's why they just don't want to do it.

Anyway, after watching the video, I don't think you can "check the ZF oil level". It sounds very much like you can only do a complete oil change.

BTW: Landrover or Grenadier: It's a ZF HP8 finally.

 

[MattA]

Doesn't convince me.

And the chips at the magnetic oil drain plug remain there, and they stay undetected which is even worse.

If you have chips on a magnetic plug the engine is totally rebuild material or bin material no ifs no buts

 

[emax]

I'm afraid, we have totally different experiences.

"No ifs and buts" help either.

 

[Ineos1NZ]

Yes and no The. oil check said oil for on road was ok but off road needed. another 500ml but when dealer checked. the old reading on their computer was correct have done some off-roading only about. 14 miles with no ill effect.

When I got back from collection I checked and it advised add 500 ml, the following week it advised add 500 ml so I have added 1000 ml since pre delivery inspection and have travelled less than 1000km
I have tried a further 5 times and each time the oil check procedure aborted, I share your curiosity in how much oil we have in our engines?