The ''New Defender" is quite honestly a bit of a w***'s poser car. The amount of daddy's boys that I have seen driving this in Bris/GC is mind boggling (P-Platers with too much cash from mum and dad or Real-estate agents...). Not one has seen a dirt track, hell probably not even a gravel road! I said it - I don't apologise and yes, I am generalising, but it annoys me. Even my BRIT mate who is a BIG Defender fan absolutely hates the new version to the point he won't admit that it is actually a Defender haha... funny bugger. Nothing will make the New Def anything like the GREN. Gren will succeed bigtime where Def cant.