New Winch Manual

[emax]

that is limited to 5000 Euros.

Except in cases of gross negligence, I prosume.

 

[AWo]

No, not that I know of. Do you exactly know that or was it a guess? If, I would be interested where to find it, please.

5000 is already the sum for very bad things. Otherwise the limit is at 2500 Euros.

The reason behind this is, that they don't want to ruin your life....sounds somehow strange, isn't it?

Looking at the mentioned case, 32 million damage....what could this 17 years old boy substantilly give back?

That is left for reinsurance companies and they mitigate this for the single insurance.

And for damage in you own car, there is another limiting factor. There must be a causal relationship. That means, ifyou did something wrong, but nothing happend to a person, you even get your own damage payed if it is not related to the illegal stuff.

AWo

 

[Jean Mercier]

Read my post again. That's exactly what I wrote. However, that is limited to 5000 Euros.

AWo

Well yes, I understood very well what you wrote, but I think @emax is right. And by the way, even in the EU not all laws are the same. I never heard of a 5000 € limit in Belgium.

And 5000 is a limit for the rich. If you own a Grenadier or a Ferrari, it doesn't matter. For some people 1000 is a problem.

 

[AWo]

i don't know what youre after, but this 5000 Euro limit applied to that young boy looks to as to protect the not so wealthy ones. Or am I wrong?...so what do you men by "for the rich"? I mean he caused one death, nearly more death as the truck crashed into the ground near a house with 32000 litres of fuel. Years of closure of the bridge what meant highway traffic through small villages. Btw. that happened in 2004 so it was 32 million Euros, not Deutschmark. Wiki states 30 Millios, but I think that is not so important. Check this Wiki entry, but you can find more in the Internet and media.

Wiehltalbrücke – Wikipedia

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Looking at what happened I don't see that 5000 Euros are much money. It took until 10/2007 until it was reopened.

What I read in Wiki is, that he went to a youth jaiö, as he was underaged at that time.

If you search with Goigle for that hard 5000 Euro limit you'll find a lot readings and some verdicts regarding that.

But of course, that is German law.

AWo

 

[Jean Mercier]

i don't know what youre after, but this 5000 Euro limit applied to that young boy looks to as to protect the not so wealthy ones.

AWo

I am "after nothing", I think it is very OK to give another chance to that young bloke. I agree with you. Even if the cost of the damage is very high.
But if the limit is the same for everybody, young, poor, rich, old, ... rich people will laugh at it.
My point was only, to go back to the winch cover, if we modify it, and it isn't compliant anymore with the laws, the insurance company could try to sue you, after paying the victims of a pedestrian accident. That's what the insurance company is doing for instance in case of accidents with drunk drivers "in Belgium". They pay the victim, and sue you.

 

[emax]

@AWo

No I'm not sure. It's just an assumption as there is very often a "gross negligence" restriction in many contracts. I agree with everything you wrote, but the 5000€ limit is new to me. So I thought about it and just found it strange. But as I said: more a question than a statement.

 

[emax]

I think it is very OK to give another chance to that young bloke.

That sounds good at first.

The law in Germany provides more mercy for non-adults, which is fine. But what about the second chance for the deceased? What about the wives who are left as widows and the children who lost their mothers and fathers or the parents who lost their boys and girls because some irresponsible lunatic decided to "have a good time"? Will they have a "second chance"?

It is not okay to socialize misery but protect the perpetrators. It is the young man who has brought misery to all these people.

I am not referring to you personally now, but in general I have my problems with socialist approaches.

 

[DCPU]

It's interesting reading how much of the winch controls are actually part of the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel & Electrical Preparation option, and so my question is what purpose can they serve on a vehicle that's not fitted with a winch?

Going through the manual:

1. Winch isolator (500A switch on overhead console)
2. 150A circuit breaker (located adjacent to the MTA jump start connector)
3. Motor control solenoid (located inside the front right wing, behind the right headlight)

Item 1. serves the NATO rear socket, so software revision providing, that's OK but items 2. & 3.?

 

[Jean Mercier]

I got the full pdf winch manual from my dealer today. I will see if I can place it in the resources. It's version 0.5 en-GB, therefore I would guess this is still a draft. Usually final version begin with a 1.0 version number.
If I can't place it myself, i'll ask @Stu_Barnes

[EDITED] It seems to be the same version as the one posted by @CountyV8, I checked some of the pages to be sure.

 

[Arkaig]

That's why I am not sure that some new "European" winch covers are compliant with European laws. like in this example:

Roof racks, Head up displays and dash cams etc. Any after market accessory.

I just watched the LR Time video linked above all the way to the end. I cut it short earlier and missed the turn out of the driveway. That turning radius . . . woof. 😂 That's gonna take some getting used to. I seem to recall seeing a post on here - perhaps by @JeanMercier that suggests the...

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No problem if you are going off road, but what if you have an accident with a pedestrian: it could be that the insurance company doesn't want to pay the damage if you did put something non-compliant on your plastic bumper!

The example you illustrate is the Letech Hinged Winch Bumper Cover designed specifically as a direct replacement for the current screw-in cover provided by INEOS for the European and UK plastic bumper. I have had it confirmed by Letech that it will have full TÜV testing and certification, which as far as I know is the gold standard for acceptance by any insurance company. Your casting aspertions as to their compliance with European laws or otherwise is unhelpful.

 

[DCPU]

I have had it confirmed by Letech that it will have full TÜV testing and certification, which as far as I know is the gold standard for acceptance by any insurance company. Your casting aspertions as to their compliance with European laws or otherwise is unhelpful.

I've never quite got to the bottom of what "TÜV testing and certification" actually means?

If you research them online then they seem to be a general test house. So will test anything against any standards you ask them to test against and provide a certificate accordingly.

Most adverts for things might state "TUV tested" or "TUV certified" but without understanding the type and scope of certification, it seems meaning gless on it's own.

 

[Arkaig]

I've never quite got to the bottom of what "TÜV testing and certification" actually means?

If you research them online then they seem to be a general test house. So will test anything against any standards you ask them to test against and provide a certificate accordingly.

Most adverts for things might state "TUV tested" or "TUV certified" but without understanding the type and scope of certification, it seems meaning gless on it's own.

When I receive a copy of the certification, I'll post it on the Forum.

(btw. LeTech are an INEOS Grenadier sales agent in Germany)

 

[AnD3rew]

I've never quite got to the bottom of what "TÜV testing and certification" actually means?

If you research them online then they seem to be a general test house. So will test anything against any standards you ask them to test against and provide a certificate accordingly.

Most adverts for things might state "TUV tested" or "TUV certified" but without understanding the type and scope of certification, it seems meaning gless on it's own.

In Europe many products require a certification of conformity to European standards and then they can use the CE mark. There are a number of notified bodies across Europe that are authorised to do the certification TÜV being one of the biggest ones, although there are alse several TÜVs TÜV Sud (South) and TÜV Nord (North), TÜV Rheinland etc. but also others like BSI, DEKRA, etc

 

[Davman]

I note that there does not seem to be any instruction not to wind the rope all the way in as we had previously heard, so that would work hopefully

Can anyone with a winch confirm this - have the agents mentioned anything?

 

[Lollo050968]

Can anyone with a winch confirm this - have the agents mentioned anything?

What do you mean exactly, I have the winch
https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/winch-dry-test.12412512/

And sure, if you want, you need not to wind in full

 

[DCPU]

I got the full pdf winch manual from my dealer today. I will see if I can place it in the resources. It's version 0.5 en-GB, therefore I would guess this is still a draft. Usually final version begin with a 1.0 version number.
If I can't place it myself, i'll ask @Stu_Barnes

[EDITED] It seems to be the same version as the one posted by @CountyV8, I checked some of the pages to be sure.

The version posted by @CountyV8 starts at page 14 with a heading Introduction. What's on the pages 1 to 13 in your version?

Maybe this thread could be merged with the first one:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/red-winch-integrated-front-winch-user-manual.12412079/

 

[Jean Mercier]

The version posted by @CountyV8 starts at page 14 with a heading Introduction. What's on the pages 1 to 13 in your version?

Maybe this thread could be merged with the first one:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/red-winch-integrated-front-winch-user-manual.12412079/

I don't have 13 first pages in the pdf version, but only 4: cover, vehicle information (blank form) and two other irrelevant pages.

 

[DCPU]

Go on then bang up the 4 pages you have...

 

[AnD3rew]

What do you mean exactly, I have the winch
https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/winch-dry-test.12412512/

And sure, if you want, you need not to wind in full

No the question was, that an earlier piece of information suggested we were advised that you had to leave about a foot of rope hanging out of the fairlead. This manual says nothing about that.

 

[CountyV8]

I’ve had the manual a couple of weeks now, but can’t upload it to the forum because of its size