It is my duty to excise that word from conversation. Sorry if that is an imposition but is the custom these days.Don't mention the tariffs!!!!
I did once but I think I got away with it.

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It is my duty to excise that word from conversation. Sorry if that is an imposition but is the custom these days.Don't mention the tariffs!!!!
I did once but I think I got away with it.
reminds of french class when you get to 70.... youre like.... WTF??? even though... mais j'amie la france.In an earlier era, when the French didn’t care to reference anything British, they defined GMT as: “Paris Time minus One Hour”
Every toaster should have an altimeter. Its amazing how easy it is to dry out bread and burn toast at 14000ft.I think a compass and altimeter could work wekk for Urban Freddy![]()
+/- 100ft of courseEvery toaster should have an altimeter. Its amazing how easy it is to dry out bread burn toast at 14000ft.
Sure, if you import it from Europe and it is at least 25 years old.Can North Americans get it in diesel?
Even the Europeans know our laws better than we doSure, if you import it from Europe and it is at least 25 years old.![]()
I'm learning again. Thanks for your hint. I have been looking into importing Land Rovers into the US. I knew there was a minimum import age for Canada as well and assumed it was also 25 years.Even the Europeans know our laws better than we do
But @holdmybeer is in Canada, they only have to wait 15 years for the good stuff that was never sold here
Yup, broadly Canada works like this: Almost any vehicle from almost anywhere can be imported into Canada if it's at least 15 years old. Buses would be one exception I'm aware of. Then each province may impose its own inspection and insurance requirements. In BC, we aren't even subject to annual inspections (unless the vehicle has a Very Large gross weight rating or is registered for commercial or farming use).I'm learning again. Thanks for your hint. I have been looking into importing Land Rovers into the US. I knew there was a minimum import age for Canada as well and assumed it was the same number of years.
Same with Land Rover, and it's a VERY biased outlook to bend over backwards to make excuses for a car's software that is worse than LRsYou should buy a BMW mine works just fine changing for DST and just in general time zones from state to state. lol
Ouch!Same with Land Rover, and it's a VERY biased outlook to bend over backwards to make excuses for a car's software that is worse than LRs
LR have been at for slightly longer so if they struggle, and i believe other manufacturers have problems too, what hope did a new company have. Anyone who expected otherwise is away with the fairy's.Same with Land Rover, and it's a VERY biased outlook to bend over backwards to make excuses for a car's software that is worse than LRs
Let me introduce you to Rivian. They just started delivering vehicles in 2022 I believe it was. It is one of the more software driven vehicles in the public market today. Is it flawless, not a chance, but it does a lot and does it all very competently. I didn't want my Gren to be a Rivian, I wanted analog. I'm fine with a CAN bus to a digital gauge cluster and such. I don't even mind a touch screen all that much. But what Ineos ended up doing was just hiding a bunch of poorly baked tech behind some physical buttons.LR have been at for slightly longer so if they struggle, and i believe other manufacturers have problems too, what hope did a new company have. Anyone who expected otherwise is away with the fairy's.
The start is not the issue it's what happens next and how it improves.
From what I read, early Tesla's weren't perfect and also rather expensive. I can't see the difference.
No argument with that, except I hate touch screens, i cover mine at nightin dark areas.Let me introduce you to Rivian. They just started delivering vehicles in 2022 I believe it was. It is one of the more software driven vehicles in the public market today. Is it flawless, not a chance, but it does a lot and does it all very competently. I didn't want my Gren to be a Rivian, I wanted analog. I'm fine with a CAN bus to a digital gauge cluster and such. I don't even mind a touch screen all that much. But what Ineos ended up doing was just hiding a bunch of poorly baked tech behind some physical buttons.
As the other poster said, Rivian is also a new company and their vehicle has an immensely longer software/electronic feature set than the Grenadier, in a similar enough price point to compare the two and they released their first cars a year earlier. Even with a massively more complex system, their software is by all accounts pretty solid. Ineos fumbled the bag hard when it comes to the software they delivered to production, and as far as I can tell (ie lack of software updates) Ineos has not done anything to rectify the situation. Hell, they may not even care! No signals exist that indicate that they do.LR have been at for slightly longer so if they struggle, and i believe other manufacturers have problems too, what hope did a new company have. Anyone who expected otherwise is away with the fairy's.
The start is not the issue it's what happens next and how it improves.
From what I read, early Tesla's weren't perfect and also rather expensive. I can't see the difference.
You say comparing ineos to tesla of 2012 is not fair but i would have said ineos was an engineering manufacturer rather than technology therefore it's the physical robustness that matters whereas an electric car manufacturer (and buyers), care more about technology. Yes it's sad that there is technology (crap) hidden behind what look like real buttons but from what I have read, it is the only way a modern vehicle can be produced and probably why all vehicles are full of touch screens as the ones that aren't have 'fake' buttons so the thought is why bother when it's cheaper not to. They have given us buttons we can easily operate, their technology is not upto the same standard as a technology led company but I would be happier with the ineos for the long term for the quality of the actual vehicle.As the other poster said, Rivian is also a new company and their vehicle has an immensely longer software/electronic feature set than the Grenadier, in a similar enough price point to compare the two. Even with a massively more complex system, their software is by all accounts pretty solid. Ineos fumbled the bag hard when it comes to the software they delivered to production, and as far as I can tell (ie lack of software updates) Ineos has not done anything to rectify the situation. Hell, they may not even care! No signals exist that indicate that they do.
Also comparing Tesla circa 2012-14 to automotive software in the 2020s is a bit disingenuous. That's a long time ago in software years, the bar is significantly higher now in large part to the pioneering efforts of the early Tesla engineering teams.
That's my point though, Ineos' software isn't really up to the same standard as any other manufacturer, and this is despite having the luxury of engineering their entire line from the ground up and a relatively limited feature set. And the luxury of the prior decade of automotive software invention. They didnt have to invent anything new. They didn't have to do what legacy manufacturers (who by the way, also aren't 'tech' companies) which is fold new tech into legacy existing systems, components, and operations with probably decades of prior design decisions behind them.You say comparing ineos to tesla of 2012 is not fair but i would have said ineos was an engineering manufacturer rather than technology therefore it's the physical robustness that matters whereas an electric car manufacturer (and buyers), care more about technology. Yes it's sad that there is technology (crap) hidden behind what look like real buttons but from what I have read, it is the only way a modern vehicle can be produced and probably why all vehicles are full of touch screens as the ones that aren't have 'fake' buttons so the thought is why bother when it's cheaper not to. They have given us buttons we can easily operate, their technology is not upto the same standard as a technology led company but I would be happier with the ineos for the long term for the quality of the actual vehicle.
When we compare by price we are missing the point and not comparing like with like, it just happens that they are all motor vehicles.
I thought about leasing one during the fire sale last year. hey really seem to be nailing the electric car tech, and fixing any issue rapidly, without excuses. Even before tesla was Swasticar, I couldnt figure out why anyone would buy one over rivian.Let me introduce you to Rivian. They just started delivering vehicles in 2022 I believe it was. It is one of the more software driven vehicles in the public market today. Is it flawless, not a chance, but it does a lot and does it all very competently. I didn't want my Gren to be a Rivian, I wanted analog. I'm fine with a CAN bus to a digital gauge cluster and such. I don't even mind a touch screen all that much. But what Ineos ended up doing was just hiding a bunch of poorly baked tech behind some physical buttons.