Multiple Landrover owner considering Ineos

[Tr182md]

Excuse my venting of my struggle. Certainly, what I like to call "first world problems"

Still on the fence. Almost did it yesterday with the incentives going away. I found one on the lot that checked all my boxes but it was a Courtesy vehicle and has a smell of people. Not the new car smell. I am sure good detail would fix that.

So now I am here did not do it and today I would pay $3000 more than yesterday, and I would have to pay for any accessories. Not the worst and better than 25% more on top of the 90k.

However, I still love the Defender, and it is really good off road and fun to drive, and I love my LR3 which has been with me for over 20 years. I also love my M4 convertible which I never drive because I love the Defender. I am not Jay Leno so if I add the IG something has to go, and it would be the convertible. Still, it seems stupid to have 3 vehicles that all do the same thing. Modding the LR3 is the logical step as it is so capable and now it is so old I can abuse it.

To get the Defender up to Grenadier level I just need to add a winch, which is a big deal cutting all that bumper away, and rock sliders. Also need a rear electric for my trailer and some electric on the roof and the second battery is something I was thinking about. Grenadier is not as polished as the Defender, but they have all you need from the factory. So easy to modify.

If I was not married, I would have picked that IG up yesterday.

 

[rovie]

Excuse my venting of my struggle. Certainly, what I like to call "first world problems"

Still on the fence. Almost did it yesterday with the incentives going away. I found one on the lot that checked all my boxes but it was a Courtesy vehicle and has a smell of people. Not the new car smell. I am sure good detail would fix that.

So now I am here did not do it and today I would pay $3000 more than yesterday, and I would have to pay for any accessories. Not the worst and better than 25% more on top of the 90k.

However, I still love the Defender, and it is really good off road and fun to drive, and I love my LR3 which has been with me for over 20 years. I also love my M4 convertible which I never drive because I love the Defender. I am not Jay Leno so if I add the IG something has to go, and it would be the convertible. Still, it seems stupid to have 3 vehicles that all do the same thing. Modding the LR3 is the logical step as it is so capable and now it is so old I can abuse it.

To get the Defender up to Grenadier level I just need to add a winch, which is a big deal cutting all that bumper away, and rock sliders. Also need a rear electric for my trailer and some electric on the roof and the second battery is something I was thinking about. Grenadier is not as polished as the Defender, but they have all you need from the factory. So easy to modify.

If I was not married, I would have picked that IG up yesterday.

The Grenadier replaces them all. I speak from experience. I sold my Defender, Disco2 and Disco 4. I drove exclusively Land Rovers for over 25 years. I don't miss them and look forward to getting into the Grenadier every day. And because you're married, your wife will like it too.

 

[Webecinya]

Currently letting go of my built LR3 and a couple other Rovers to consolidate down to a grenadier.

 

[Tr182md]

The Grenadier replaces them all. I speak from experience. I sold my Defender, Disco2 and Disco 4. I drove exclusively Land Rovers for over 25 years. I don't miss them and look forward to getting into the Grenadier every day. And because you're married, your wife will like it too.

Yeah, Good points

My wife has emotional attachment to "her" LR3. Not sure how that happened to my LR3 ... maybe because her Acura burned in the 2017 fires and I did not replace it. After about 7 different moves and escaping from the fires up here in the LR3 as a family I think that LR3 will be with me until something major breaks.

Riding in the Grenadier she just said "There is a lot of wind noise won't be as nice on a long trip"

however when I asked her what she thought about keeping everything she just said "It is up to you" which is always hard to interpret.

 

[Commodore]

Excuse my venting of my struggle. Certainly, what I like to call "first world problems"

Still on the fence. Almost did it yesterday with the incentives going away. I found one on the lot that checked all my boxes but it was a Courtesy vehicle and has a smell of people. Not the new car smell. I am sure good detail would fix that.

So now I am here did not do it and today I would pay $3000 more than yesterday, and I would have to pay for any accessories. Not the worst and better than 25% more on top of the 90k.

However, I still love the Defender, and it is really good off road and fun to drive, and I love my LR3 which has been with me for over 20 years. I also love my M4 convertible which I never drive because I love the Defender. I am not Jay Leno so if I add the IG something has to go, and it would be the convertible. Still, it seems stupid to have 3 vehicles that all do the same thing. Modding the LR3 is the logical step as it is so capable and now it is so old I can abuse it.

To get the Defender up to Grenadier level I just need to add a winch, which is a big deal cutting all that bumper away, and rock sliders. Also need a rear electric for my trailer and some electric on the roof and the second battery is something I was thinking about. Grenadier is not as polished as the Defender, but they have all you need from the factory. So easy to modify.

If I was not married, I would have picked that IG up yesterday.

You are not going to get the defender up to the off road capability of the Grenadier. Perhaps the Defender will have enough capability for your use or maybe not. The Defender is certainly a better on road car. I would dump the LR3. The Grenny is good enough on road and better than all of those off road. Long road trips you can use the Defender.

In recent years l had that I have had an LR4, RR Fullsize L405, a 2022 Bronco (replaced by the Grenny), and we just turned in 2022 Defender that we had on lease and kept the 2020 RRS that we own. Wife drives the RRS.

 

[CRH]

Excuse my venting of my struggle. Certainly, what I like to call "first world problems"

Still on the fence. Almost did it yesterday with the incentives going away. I found one on the lot that checked all my boxes but it was a Courtesy vehicle and has a smell of people. Not the new car smell. I am sure good detail would fix that.

So now I am here did not do it and today I would pay $3000 more than yesterday, and I would have to pay for any accessories. Not the worst and better than 25% more on top of the 90k.

However, I still love the Defender, and it is really good off road and fun to drive, and I love my LR3 which has been with me for over 20 years. I also love my M4 convertible which I never drive because I love the Defender. I am not Jay Leno so if I add the IG something has to go, and it would be the convertible. Still, it seems stupid to have 3 vehicles that all do the same thing. Modding the LR3 is the logical step as it is so capable and now it is so old I can abuse it.

To get the Defender up to Grenadier level I just need to add a winch, which is a big deal cutting all that bumper away, and rock sliders. Also need a rear electric for my trailer and some electric on the roof and the second battery is something I was thinking about. Grenadier is not as polished as the Defender, but they have all you need from the factory. So easy to modify.

If I was not married, I would have picked that IG up yesterday.

Simple solution is a divorce, but if you like a clean house and home cooked food get rid of the car you don't use first. Then when you realise that you drive the Grenadier all the time and does what the LR's do and more off road you can then ditch the LR's. With that spare cash you can modify the Grenadier to you hearts content.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Simple solution is a divorce, but if you like a clean house and home cooked food get rid of the car you don't use first. Then when you realise that you drive the Grenadier all the time and does what the LR's do and more off road you can then ditch the LR's. With that spare cash you can modify the Grenadier to you hearts content.

Good marriage advice. Dump the M4, let your wife get used to the Grenadier, then you can unload the LR later and buy her something nice as a conciliatory move. But that’s WAAAAAY too much emotional investment in the LR3 - you would be in a world of hurt, on the couch.

 

[Tr182md]

Ha ha … all true.

Every time we take the LR3 in for service it is 3-5k for all the little things. Because we have always fixed anything it is still in great shape. They did something with the front suspension control arms or something I forget that made it feel new again on the steering.

Just debating now which IG to get. The “demo” has everything already but I do realize that the factory winch is not what I would have put on there, the second battery is not done as I would have done it … I think Agile Overland has done a great job with that. However getting everything all at once is nice and I suppose I could make it better over time.

I will probably have to create a new post but maybe someone can answer me here.

What does the Aux battery actually do? I asked dealer if the aux switches were connected to it and is it isolated to protect the starter battery and he had no idea what I was talking about. I think you would want all auxiliary plugs to go to the second battery with an isolator so that you can always start your car.

 

[Tom109]

@Tr182md - I’ve driven alloy wheels on all my coil-sprung Rovers, and outside of my 109, I am not a big fan of steel wheels. I’d reconsider the alloys, they make the most sense for 95% of use cases.

 

[CRH]

@Tr182md - I’ve driven alloy wheels on all my coil-sprung Rovers, and outside of my 109, I am not a big fan of steel wheels. I’d reconsider the alloys, they make the most sense for 95% of use cases.

Please explain, I'm really interested into why one over the other. Always thought alloys was for aesthetics and steel so you could hammer back into shape, other than that, weight saving on a sports car?

 

[Tr182md]

The car I am looking at has 17" alloys which I am pretty happy with. I think having that extra sidewall is another advantage over the Defender. I have seen several of these you tube videos where they are tearing a sidewall on the Defender. To fix my Defender I think I would need the following items which is just more than I probably want to do. If I lived close to someone who did this it would be easy but I would have to work with my local guy and be the first one.

I will miss all the space in the Defender which has less space than the LR3. I actually find myself missing my sidebox already, which I have started to collect recovery gear in.

Winch bumper This is a big project but there are plenty of options.
Rock Sliders Easy bolt on but there is all this felt under the car I would be throwing away and adding some protection

Bonus would be something similar to the NATO plug which I have been researching.
- high amp electrical to charge my trailer batteries (I have 400 AH lithium in the trailer)

more sidewall which would be
- Some type of lift, suboptimal is the air lift and better is the subframe lift
- smaller calipers
- 18" rims
- new tires

Talking with someone today about selling my BMW M4 convertible ... Something that I love to drive but just have not been driving. What will probably happen is that the Demo I am looking at will sell before I make up my mind. The looking Tariffs have really accelerated the sales of the 2024

 

[Tr182md]

Please explain, I'm really interested into why one over the other. Always thought alloys was for aesthetics and steel so you could hammer back into shape, other than that, weight saving on a sports car?

I also have questions. My understanding would be that steel is more durable and can be repaired in the field. The alloys are probably better on the road as they would be lighter but if you bend one in the field you can't fix it. This seems like a rare thing to do here in the US unless you are doing some serious rock crawling so I can see the percentages favoring the alloy but for ultimate reliability I would think steel wins.

I have decided that this will not impact my decision on this car because I can always change and then I can have another stack of tires in my hangar next to my 19" rims for the LR3.

 

[Tom109]

Please explain, I'm really interested into why one over the other. Always thought alloys was for aesthetics and steel so you could hammer back into shape, other than that, weight saving on a sports car?

Ok, my use case, others will differ, but alloy wheels are typically lighter, stronger (?), accept stick-on weights and do not rust. I have changed tires with tire iron, by hand and it is not fun. It it also something I typically will not have to deal with in my travels, just like I will not have to hammer a rim back into round. So, why even consider steel? It’s completely off the table for me (except for my 109).

 

[Commodore]

Are the Ineos factory alloys cast or forged? I would never want cast alloys for offroad use.

 

[pmatusov]

Please explain, I'm really interested into why one over the other. Always thought alloys was for aesthetics and steel so you could hammer back into shape, other than that, weight saving on a sports car?

You should try hammering Grenadier steelies back to shape. It is far, far from obvious.

 

[Jeremy996]

If you bend a steel wheel you can theoretically hammer it back to shape. Practically you reallly need a lot of heat too, an anvil comes in handy. (Learned experience with a LR wheel after hitting a random kerbstone in the middle of a road). Although we got the (new) tyre air tight, the wheel was not properly round, so was swapped for a replacement at the soonest opportunity.

Alloys have a nasty habit of cracking if hit hard enough, whereupon you need a new wheel. Worrying about unsprung weight on a vehicle with live axles is doomed to disappointment, you are unlikely to feel much difference. Alloys on a LR110 or similar always seem to me like running spikes on a 90 year old; you can but the effect is more appearence than performance,

 

[pmatusov]

If you bend a steel wheel you can theoretically hammer it back to shape. Practically you reallly need a lot of heat too, an anvil comes in handy.

Theoretically is a key word here.
The practical answer trail-side, anvil-less, is yes, but you need a lot more than a hammer.

 

[Tr182md]

Since i am buying off the lot it is more a matter of if i can live with what they have on the lot. The trick i like has 17” alloys and they don’t swap so i think that is what i will get i am happy they are 17 as many other have 18. I think the smaller size and larger sidewall are more important than alloy or steel. My must haves were locking diff and high Amp circuits. The rest is preferences.

 

[Tom109]

Post a photo when you get it

 

[Tr182md]

Well i am sitting here at the dealer. I could not buy the demo because it had scratches and a nick in the leather from folding down the seat. I would have bought it but the discount was not enough. It was a Trialmaster with everything i wanted. They did have a Fieldmaster and i am adding stuff. The tow package is VERY expensive. So i added sliders, checker plate, utility rails on the back outside, if had the safari and the locking duffels and electrical package.

I did like the mushroom with contrasting roof but it was 8 months already on the warranty. 3500 miles as a demo for the dealer. I don’t mind scratches if prices in but only $3500 off.

Biggest thing i wish i had was mushroom had 17” alloys.

Looking at owl for hidden winch.