Americas Making a spare key?

[Jean Mercier]

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Deactivate (Keyfob) panic button

I've been driving for 45 years now and the thing I missed the least was a panic button. So I was very pleased that I unintentionally triggered it several times. I took a few pictures of how I solved this for myself. I made the button inoperable by gluing it with superglue. It is important to let...

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[Bruce]

Went to my local locksmith today and he said even if I provided the blank it takes a special machine to cut these “high security automotive keys“. Recommended I go to the dealer. Ugh.

 

[grnamin]

Went to my local locksmith today and he said even if I provided the blank it takes a special machine to cut these “high security automotive keys“. Recommended I go to the dealer. Ugh.

Ineos has a monopoly on keys then?

 

[Tazzieman]

Went to my local locksmith today and he said even if I provided the blank it takes a special machine to cut these “high security automotive keys“. Recommended I go to the dealer. Ugh.

Try another locksmith. My shop had no problems. $60 for 2 keys.

 

[255/85]

After having no success finding the magic Renault blank at any locksmith I tried, I stumbled upon a workable substitute.

It's a commonly available key blank available at most locksmith shops and even better hardware stores in the U.S. The blank is an Ilco KK12-P for various Kia and Hyundai vehicles. (The black tape is for privacy online.)

KK12-P

Fits various 2017-2020 Hyundai and Kia models. We stock over 600 different car, automotive, vehicle and truck keys.

ekeyblanks.com

You will need to find a locksmith with a basic cutter as the programmable cutters can't seem to make heads or tails out of the Ineos fob. Different machines have returned varying chip/code numbers and still refuse to cut a blank. Additionally Ineos doesn't show up on the lists of known vehicles. Make certain whoever cuts the key is very meticulous.

When used in the driver's door lock the key will disable the alarm and unlock all five doors at once. When exiting the vehicle the key will lock all exterior doors. Inserted into the ignition it will turn the switch to the "on" position and all lights and pre-start functions will begin. Turned to the "start" position it has no effect until the fob (chip end) is placed adjacent to the key. The vehicle will then start normally and the fob can be placed elsewhere. Keeping the fob handy will allow for quick restarts if the vehicle is stalled, etc.

There is an unfortunate consideration with this blank. It is slightly too wide/tall. While the key length and thickness are correct, the width is approximately 0.015" too great. Five minutes of flat-filing solves the issue. Make a half dozen strokes on one side then switch to the other for a half dozen. Repeat until the desired width is reached. The new key should slide in smoothly. if it doesn't then the width may still be too great. Using a micrometer helps. You don't want to get the new key stuck in the lock or ignition. Good luck.

 

[QRgren]

This also works - had a locksmith cut one and required a bit more shaving of the key closer to the fob for it to be inserted into the door all the way (as noted in post above).

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SEGADEN Replacement Key Shell CE0523 Type VA2 Blade Compatible with Peugeot 1007 807 4 Button Keyless Entry Flip Remote Key Case Fob SS316

 

[ipcrss]

I posted on this a while ago, when I had one cut in the UK. There are a few issues but my very cheap Ebay emergency spare key unlocks the door if used with care.

 

[255/85]

For those that don't find any of the above in stock when they drop by their locksmith's shop...

SIP22 is another key blank that will work when thinned. It's only 0.010" too wide but the shoulder also needs to be moved back a bit. It's also used in some Ferraris.

Most of these keys can also be purchased with a blank chip or a way to add a chip after the fact. I'm pretty certain Ineos has used a Megamos glass chip.

 

[fredp45069]

View of the information inside my key FOB

 

[unimogfrog]

After having no success finding the magic Renault blank at any locksmith I tried, I stumbled upon a workable substitute.

View attachment 7860006

It's a commonly available key blank available at most locksmith shops and even better hardware stores in the U.S. The blank is an Ilco KK12-P for various Kia and Hyundai vehicles. (The black tape is for privacy online.)

KK12-P

Fits various 2017-2020 Hyundai and Kia models. We stock over 600 different car, automotive, vehicle and truck keys.

ekeyblanks.com

You will need to find a locksmith with a basic cutter as the programmable cutters can't seem to make heads or tails out of the Ineos fob. Different machines have returned varying chip/code numbers and still refuse to cut a blank. Additionally Ineos doesn't show up on the lists of known vehicles. Make certain whoever cuts the key is very meticulous.

When used in the driver's door lock the key will disable the alarm and unlock all five doors at once. When exiting the vehicle the key will lock all exterior doors. Inserted into the ignition it will turn the switch to the "on" position and all lights and pre-start functions will begin. Turned to the "start" position it has no effect until the fob (chip end) is placed adjacent to the key. The vehicle will then start normally and the fob can be placed elsewhere. Keeping the fob handy will allow for quick restarts if the vehicle is stalled, etc.

There is an unfortunate consideration with this blank. It is slightly too wide/tall. While the key length and thickness are correct, the width is approximately 0.015" too great. Five minutes of flat-filing solves the issue. Make a half dozen strokes on one side then switch to the other for a half dozen. Repeat until the desired width is reached. The new key should slide in smoothly. if it doesn't then the width may still be too great. Using a micrometer helps. You don't want to get the new key stuck in the lock or ignition. Good luck.

Thanks for posting this alternate Key info. I ordered the blank KIA key that You found and had a local Locksmith cut it for me and after a bit of fiddling with my Dremel tool, I was able to get it to fit the Door lock and got it working reliably as a spare.
At first, the key would not go into the lock, but after careful examination of the shape and some minor tweaking, I got it working perfectly in case anyone else needs one, they do work as a door spare. The Key Blank and cutting cost me about $60 total.

 

[255/85]

We use the spare keys all the time. Keys don't seem to ramp up the electronics the way using the fob does. If you're in and out of the vehicle, say at a camp site, the batteries don't discharge as much as when using the fob. Of course you can't activate the alarm so there's a drawback. I just mentioned elsewhere that the vehicle is fairly secure from being stolen without the alarm activated.

 

[davo]

So it seems like quite a few people have had a spare key blade cut which can open the doors. I have had this done by a locksmith using a SILKA VA2TE key blank (https://www.lsc.com.au/silca-blank-va-2-te-trans-empty-l-chip).

That key does not have a transponder so I can unlock the door and turn the key in the ignition but the engine will not start.

Then I started looking at ways to "clone" the transponder. Apparently in some cases it is possible to use a device to "read" the transponder info from the genuine Ineos key and program that to a new transponder chip. I bought this device to give it a go (https://www.xhorsevvdi.com/wholesale/vvdi-mini-lite.html)

This is what I get when I read the transponder in my key

I think "locked/uncloneable" means that you can't do a direct copy of the transponder info - at least not with the tool I have. I suspect that you can only clone older/less secure transponder chips.

I believe the other option is to buy a new 4A/ID4A compatible transponder chip, put it in the key and then program that transponder to be able to start the vehicle - which I assume can only be done using the dealer diagnostic tools to program the car to recognise that new transponder.

When I try the same tool on our other car key (Ford Escape) that has a "49" transponder which is also "uncloneable" :-(

So my question - does anyone have a replacement key which can start the car?
and if so did the Ineos dealer have to work some magic to make it work?
or has a automotive locksmith been able to do it?

 

[Skydance]

Hum...I'm sure I'd seen some where you can start the car with a dead battery??. But how is the immobiliser controlled?? I'm being to think there are lots of issues/reasons why the alarm and immobiliser aren't Thatcham approved.

Because they don’t have interior sensors.

 

[grnamin]

So it seems like quite a few people have had a spare key blade cut which can open the doors. I have had this done by a locksmith using a SILKA VA2TE key blank (https://www.lsc.com.au/silca-blank-va-2-te-trans-empty-l-chip).

That key does not have a transponder so I can unlock the door and turn the key in the ignition but the engine will not start.

Then I started looking at ways to "clone" the transponder. Apparently in some cases it is possible to use a device to "read" the transponder info from the genuine Ineos key and program that to a new transponder chip. I bought this device to give it a go (https://www.xhorsevvdi.com/wholesale/vvdi-mini-lite.html)

This is what I get when I read the transponder in my key
View attachment 7887038
I think "locked/uncloneable" means that you can't do a direct copy of the transponder info - at least not with the tool I have. I suspect that you can only clone older/less secure transponder chips.

I believe the other option is to buy a new 4A/ID4A compatible transponder chip, put it in the key and then program that transponder to be able to start the vehicle - which I assume can only be done using the dealer diagnostic tools to program the car to recognise that new transponder.

When I try the same tool on our other car key (Ford Escape) that has a "49" transponder which is also "uncloneable" :-(

So my question - does anyone have a replacement key which can start the car?
and if so did the Ineos dealer have to work some magic to make it work?
or has a automotive locksmith been able to do it?

Ineos won't share the key codes with 3rd parties, hence, the high cost of getting replacements from your dealership.