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Looks like Ineos will have to add more tech in Oz

Max said:
The device was able to be fitted to any vehicle here in OZ years ago but I never saw or used one...maybe ready for a retro fit šŸ‘
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Mechanics hate in vehicle alcohol testers, no one wants to touch them and some need codes from manufacturers to allow the car to be started for repairs. I don't think Australia has the drink driving problem the US has. Australia's roadside alcohol testing is pretty strict compared to the hit and miss roadside testing a lot of states do in the US. They need one these that can test for other drugs for Aussie drivers.
 
For whatever it is worth, I find that I drive far more carefully than any previous vehicle I have owned. Partly it reflects Grenadier limitations: low fuel economy, poor visibility out the back, poor acceleration and unique steering. (To be clear, I love the vehicle and totally get that its performance off the road effectively requires these attributes.)

But the other part is Grenadier seems to have designed safety into it: the mildly annoying clicking when you exceed the speed limit or swerve out of lanes and that many of the gauges are off to oneside to prevent distraction are examples.

The upshot is humans, at least this one, can drive pretty safely if not distracted and provided a bit more info. At least I find it that way. While I drive carefully, on long trips, it is at 80-85 mph, and it feels fine.
 
Gaffer said:
For whatever it is worth, I find that I drive far more carefully than any previous vehicle I have owned. Partly it reflects Grenadier limitations: low fuel economy, poor visibility out the back, poor acceleration and unique steering. (To be clear, I love the vehicle and totally get that its performance off the road effectively requires these attributes.)

But the other part is Grenadier seems to have designed safety into it: the mildly annoying clicking when you exceed the speed limit or swerve out of lanes and that many of the gauges are off to oneside to prevent distraction are examples.

The upshot is humans, at least this one, can drive pretty safely if not distracted and provided a bit more info. At least I find it that way. While I drive carefully, on long trips, it is at 80-85 mph, and it feels fine.
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Your comments re. speed limits : One of my daughters (she of middle age as I like to remind heršŸ˜šŸ˜‚) is currently on an academic posting in Connecticut. A capable and disciplined driver, her transition from approximately 60-70mph strictly enforced open road limits in Australia to 80mph plus in her new surroundings has come as something of a shock. She has a pre-loved Subaru Outback as her mode of transport which seems to be a reasonable compromise given winter conditions there which she had never encountered at "home". She describes it as 'new skills for new thrills!'
 
DaveB said:
I disagree.
All drivers have a diversity of skills but they all should have a minimum skill set at least, or get off the road.

Teaching people that they don't need to focus or take responsibility for their actions is a major problem.
What if the little light in the mirror doesn't work and someone relies on it and just changes lanes.

They think they don't need to look out the windscreen because the vehicle will automatically keep in the lane, adjust the speed and apply the brakes if the vehicle in front stops. Maybe they can get on their phone or do their makeup.

You avoid accidents by focus and concentration. Not giving up control to a machine.

This is why we have these clowns climbing into the back seat of their Tesla and letting auto drive take over.

I have driven on the autobahn at 230 kmh (143 MPH) and believe me I was looking out the windscreen, holding the wheel, not chatting and I was focussed.
I was also overtaken by several cars and a motorbike.
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Your arguments are correct, I also believe we should have higher speed limits. Our modern vehicles are so competent that driving at current speed limits is so easy it sends you to sleep very quickly. I used to joke that my previous vehicle was so easy to drive i would put it on cruise control and go to sleep. At least the Grenadier keeps me awake.
The problem with both sides of your argument is that we are all overrun with morons nowadays and regulations need to hold their hand. They all believe they are perfect (or would lie to get/keep a licence), but act like complete idiots on the ever busier roads. If the safety systems fail it would be a smaller number than the amount of bad drivers. Touching a phone is illegal over here, but they are all doing it, so they have developed AI cameras that can detect what you are doing. These are slowly being added around the UK. It's a case of control and fines if you want to drive in the UK.
 
Would have been interesting yesterday if Iā€™d had AEB - a ratbag came speeding in from my left (RH drive roads) on a T intersection and stopped across my lane. Luckily there was nothing coming the other way and a quick flick of the wheel at 70 kph I was able to avoid contact. I was actually quite surprised just how well the Ineos steering responded under emergency conditions.
My wifeā€™s Subaru Forester has proved AEB works well on it, avoiding collision with a large kangaroo that suddenly jumped across our path from the roadside.
It is good providing the software works correctlyā€¦. but I have survived driving this continent without it for my 70+ years.
 
HereinDaRockies said:
But whatā€™s the point of this reflection? Personal anecdotes of ownā€™s superior driving skills doesnā€™t mean anything in a statistical context. Those feature are meant to help avoid roadway accidents, deployed to tens of millions of drivers with a diversity of driving skills. Itā€™s meant to affect overall safety trend, across a large set of drivers.

In that context your anecdote has zero weight, right?

To make this a bit more self-centered argument - Would you be appreciate if a driver falling asleep at the wheel had the aid of lane keep assist, to avoid smashing heads-on into your manually steered vehicle?
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By your reasoning we should all stay locked in our homes with N95 masks on. Government control of every aspect of our lives has gone too far. Waking up each day and living a meaningful life has dangers. It isn't the governments job to protect us from ever risk. In the process they trample our freedom to choose the life we want to live. If we learned anything from COVID it was that people will give up their rights for the illusion of safety.
 
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Commodore said:
By your reasoning we should all stay locked in our homes with N95 masks on. Government control of every aspect of our lives has gone too far. Waking up each day and living a meaningful life has dangers. It isn't the governments job to protect us from ever risk. In the process they trample our freedom to choose the life we want to live. If we learned anything from COVID it was that people will give up their rights for the allusion of safety.
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*illusion
 
Commodore said:
The damn dyslexic in me. Good with numbers and terrible at spelling. The words just don't look the same to me as they do to most people. It was the main reason I went to B-school and not law school.
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Don't be too harsh on yourself @Commodore. Allusion is not totally invalid the way you used it, albeit unintentionally.

allusion (noun). An expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.

Illusion (noun). An instance of a wrong or misinterpreted perception of a sensory experience.

But illusion is the better choice here because COVID made us ill. šŸ¤’šŸ˜·
 
HereinDaRockies said:
Your viewpoints are aspirational at best. Nothing else is in play to help guarantee a minimum bar of driver skills.

Again, you keep bringing up your personal approach for driving. I am saying that means nothing in a statistical context. A few good drivers on the road doesnā€™t move the statistical needle.

So in light of that , use technology, including self driving cars, in the future to take over something that humans are poorly optimized for.

Yeah I donā€™t give a sht if someone likes ā€œdrivingā€. A swarm of autonomous vehicles in communication with one another is more efficient than humans operators
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Sounds like someone needs to be taking the Bus...
 
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