How many cars have been built?

[Baron von Teuchter]

I’m sure Lynn Calder said in an interview that they’d just built the 25,000th car fairly recently, can’t find it though

 

[Jeremy996]

VINs are sequential - it is part of the requirement for lifetime monitoring for recalls.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

VINs are sequential - it is part of the requirement for lifetime monitoring for recalls.

OK - so if that’s true, and if @Karearea is 193 from early ‘23, and I’m in the 11,000’s from November of ‘23, and Markline is saying only 4500 units were produced in ‘23 - then Markline is way off on their data. Not even close.

 

[Jeremy996]

OK - so if that’s true, and if @Karearea is 193 from early ‘23, and I’m in the 11,000’s from November of ‘23, and Markline is saying only 4500 units were produced in ‘23 - then Markline is way off on their data. Not even close.

Mine was 1607, built in March 2023, so there is something odd about Markline's data. Breakeven was originally flagged at about 20 - 25k a year, so I'd hope they are well on the way to 25k on the road by now, even given the slow ramp-up and the months of suspended production.

 

[ADVAW8S]

Again, mine was built in Jan and I hav

Mine was 1607, built in March 2023, so there is something odd about Markline's data. Breakeven was originally flagged at about 20 - 25k a year, so I'd hope they are well on the way to 25k on the road by now, even given the slow ramp-up and the months of suspended production.

Again mine was built in Jan and I have a 23k vin

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Again, mine was built in Jan and I hav
Again mine was built in Jan and I have a 23k vin

Jan 25? You’re talking about the QM, right?

 

[ADVAW8S]

Jan 25? You’re talking about the QM, right?

Yes and yes but the destination of model style is not found in the digits. Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI) - Positions 1-3
Position 1:
Indicates the country of origin or assembly. For example, a "1" typically means the vehicle was assembled in the United States, a "2" in Canada, and a "3" in Mexico.
Positions 2-3:
Indicate the manufacturer and the region where the vehicle was produced. For example, a "G" might indicate a vehicle made by General Motors.
2. Vehicle Descriptor Section - Positions 4-8
Positions 4-8: Provide information about the vehicle's brand, body style, engine type, model, and series. For instance, the fourth position might indicate a restraint system type in passenger cars or the brake type and GVWR class in trucks and vans.
3. Vehicle Identifier Section - Positions 9-17
Position 9: The "check digit," used to verify the VIN's accuracy. It's a mathematical calculation based on the other characters in the VIN.
Position 10: The model year of the vehicle.
Position 11: Indicates the assembly plant where the vehicle was built.
Positions 12-17: The production sequence number or serial number, a unique identifier for that specific vehicle.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Yes and yes but the destination of model style is not found in the digits. Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. World Manufacturer Identifier (WMI) - Positions 1-3
Position 1:
Indicates the country of origin or assembly. For example, a "1" typically means the vehicle was assembled in the United States, a "2" in Canada, and a "3" in Mexico.
Positions 2-3:
Indicate the manufacturer and the region where the vehicle was produced. For example, a "G" might indicate a vehicle made by General Motors.
2. Vehicle Descriptor Section - Positions 4-8
Positions 4-8: Provide information about the vehicle's brand, body style, engine type, model, and series. For instance, the fourth position might indicate a restraint system type in passenger cars or the brake type and GVWR class in trucks and vans.
3. Vehicle Identifier Section - Positions 9-17
Position 9: The "check digit," used to verify the VIN's accuracy. It's a mathematical calculation based on the other characters in the VIN.
Position 10: The model year of the vehicle.
Position 11: Indicates the assembly plant where the vehicle was built.
Positions 12-17: The production sequence number or serial number, a unique identifier for that specific vehicle.

Thanks - so just looking at our numbers and build dates - the Marklines data are way, way lower than actual production volumes, both for ‘23 and ‘24. The Japanese have great quality - but sounds like the Swiss still reign supreme on precision ;o)

 

[mcdoogs]

Mine has a build month of 04/2024 and is 19xxx iirc. Didn’t they stop production for a lot of 2024?

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Mine has a build month of 04/2024 and is 19xxx iirc. Didn’t they stop production for a lot of 2024?

Can’t remember exactly- I think it was late August’25 through mid Jan ‘25

 

[AWo]

Are the numbers in a sequence?

When you look at the door recall 7022 units are affected. The recall says it is sequential and between VINs 004877 and 018955 which would be 14078 units, not 7022.

The sequential order of the last 6 digits, position 12-17, are for a given type (or group of vehicles) defined in the VDS section of the VIN. So if the VDS section differs you can have a different sequence.

That explains why the affected number of vehicles in the door recall is smaller than the difference of the VIN sequential numbers.

Find attached ISO 3779 for VINs in Europe and the NHTSA requirements for the US . They are very close to each other.

So the last six digits of a VIN do not necessarily shows the units produced.

BTW, it was often claimed here, that Ineos is a low volume manufacturer....looking at the VIN shows that this is not the case as digits 10-12 would repeat the manufacturer code WMI (digits 1-3) again.

AWo

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Are the numbers in a sequence?

When you look at the door recall 7022 units are affected. The recall says it is sequential and between VINs 004877 and 018955 which would be 14078 units, not 7022.

The sequential order of the last 6 digits, position 12-17, are for a given type (or group of vehicles) defined in the VDS section of the VIN. So if the VDS section differs you can have a different sequence.

That explains why the affected number of vehicles in the door recall is smaller than the difference of the VIN sequential numbers.

Find attached ISO 3779 for VINs in Europe and the NHTSA requirements for the US . They are very close to each other.

So the last six digits of a VIN do not necessarily shows the units produced.

AWo

That’s what I don’t know - not for sure. They’re ordinal - but I don’t know if they just progress by 1.

 

[AWo]

I’m sure Lynn Calder said in an interview that they’d just built the 25,000th car fairly recently, can’t find it though

Possible,

with the units produced when it started (ramp up) in 09/2022 and the months in 2025...maybe...but still far away from the target.

AWo

 

[Tom109]

OK - so if that’s true, and if @Karearea is 193 from early ‘23, and I’m in the 11,000’s from November of ‘23,

Mine was 1607, built in March 2023,

Mine is 7100 built 09/2023 (service reminder set date 9/26/2023). So just Crazy and me and that's ~3900 vehicles.