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[DaveB]

I was a bit disappointed when I first watched the review and it would be easy to be disheartened by the nay sayers who regardless of any facts of the Grenadier just want to bash it because of the political leanings and wealth of the company founder. It’s pathetic really how shallow and jealous (predominantly British) people can be. In hindsight, I don’t care what the reviews say, the Grenadier (including warts and sloppy steering) on paper meets my needs for a vehicle. Provided it proves to be well built and reliable, a gamble I'm willing to take, I’ll be pleased.

Don't watch the Harry's farm video then.
It was absolute rubbish.
He drove up one grassy slope and only just made it because he couldn't work out how to lock the front and rear diffs.
Certainly didn't need them from what I could see and didn't look to have the centre diff locked anyway so they would never turn on.

 

[Tom D]

He’s pretty fair in some ways, but still keeps comparing it to his 110. The whole point of the grenadier is that it isn’t a 110 or an Amaroc. It already has too much tech for my liking. If it had as much as the 110 why bother building it?

I think he’d be pretty impressed with the commercial as it has almost all the same stuff as the Trialmaster that he tested. There’s’ really not much difference.

 

[Jeremy996]

Like @Tom D , I think Harry would be more impressed with the Utility variant, but he will want the rough pack and the tow gear.

I struggle with all the whinging about the lack of self-centring on the steering; the learning process is not long and the lack of buffeting on rough tracks is quite relaxing. It is not a sports car! Looking at the way Harry is sitting, he looks a bit low and distant from the wheel; I'm only 6' and I have not considered the left foot placement as an issue, I did a lot of miles yesterday.

 

[DaveB]

Like @Tom D , I think Harry would be more impressed with the Utility variant, but he will want the rough pack and the tow gear.

I struggle with all the whinging about the lack of self-centring on the steering; the learning process is not long and the lack of buffeting on rough tracks is quite relaxing. It is not a sports car! Looking at the way Harry is sitting, he looks a bit low and distant from the wheel; I'm only 6' and I have not considered the left foot placement as an issue, I did a lot of miles yesterday.

Funny, as soon as I saw his seating position I knew he was going to have a problem.
The angle on that footrest means you need to be closer, with the seat high and the backrest more upright.
This not only makes it more comfortable it also gives you a far better view and removes the B pillar problem he waffles on about.
I called into the local dealer the other day and the first thing I did when i got into the vehicle was pump the seat up a fair bit and move the steering wheel up.
The safari windows meant I still had a huge amount of roof clearance and I could have been wearing a hat and still no problem.

 

[JOB]

Don't watch the Harry's farm video then.
It was absolute rubbish.
He drove up one grassy slope and only just made it because he couldn't work out how to lock the front and rear diffs.
Certainly didn't need them from what I could see and didn't look to have the centre diff locked anyway so they would never turn on.

Just watched, centre diff not locked and not even in low range while banging on about being unable to lock front and rear diffs. I think he's just got a bee in his bonnet and is a JLR lovey. Disappointingly biased in my opinion.

With the right man at the helm, I think it'd run rings around new Defender off road.

 

[DaveB]

Just watched, centre diff not locked and not even in low range while banging on about being unable to lock front and rear diffs. I think he's just got a bee in his bonnet and is a JLR lovey. Disappointingly biased in my opinion.

With the right man at the helm, I think it'd run rings around new Defender off road.

I think the fact he made it up with the vehicle in road mode and no electronic trickery proves just how good it is.

 

[Shaky]

I just watched the farm review, well got to the hill of doom (so he thinks), and watched the miserable attempt whilst not being bothered to engage anything and turned the review off.

Love how he had to emphasise that the Defender got up it but the IG had one fail. Apparently that because the IG is a fat bastard and nothing to do with his poor/idle driving.

Lost a lot of respect for Harry watching these two videos, he has resorted to creating problems, in order to moan about them in some instances.

Should he have a banner at the top of his reviews saying “I work for Land Rover”

 

[Cheshire cat]

I usually enjoy Harry's video's but in this case, I don't think he did the vehicle any proper justice. Not saying that just because I have one.
Saw David from Mahker (Old Defender rebuild specialists) in the pub tonight. He asked what I thought of my new Grenadier and said he has just prepared a review which would be on YouTube soon. Insinuated a lot more power was required of the engine. Now waiting to watch the review.

 

[Tom D]

Looking at the Ronnie defender video I posted earlier I thnk the lack of flex / articulation is where the Grenadier would beat the defender. You can have all the traction aids that you want but if there’s a wheel in the air you’re losing grip. And that Defender likes to lift a wheel! The defender will probably be better at some things though.

 

[Wayneos]

Don't watch the Harry's farm video then.
It was absolute rubbish.
He drove up one grassy slope and only just made it because he couldn't work out how to lock the front and rear diffs.
Certainly didn't need them from what I could see and didn't look to have the centre diff locked anyway so they would never turn on.

Him fumbling for the diff locks AFTER the climb was dramatic overacting at it's finest! Centre lock not engaged, what a knob!

 

[Loc Nar]

Harry seems like a nice enough chap, but his reviews of the Grenadier mean absolutely nothing to me, because the use case he is searching for is completely different than mine. The Defender is indeed a better fit for him, and that's a-okay. He's not going to be slapping a roof top tent, awning, and solar panel on and start venturing out to the Hinterlands.

 

[MarkH]

The Defender looked like a tonka toy going up that hill. That bungle with the diff locks requires its own correction video, very misleading unresearch "review" for want of a better word - botched mash up?

 

[Max]

I would hope Grenadier owners rise above the opinions of " influencers" and exercise their own judgement and their outcomes

That is why we are here in the first place and couldn't agree more...now the keys are in the hands of those who trusted their beliefs, gut feeling and intellect, the owners are the influencers now and for a long while I would think and hope I fall into that category soon...

 

[AnD3rew]

TBH, those who watch that garbage and are swayed by it probably shouldn’t be buying a Grenadier. In that sense he is probably doing us all a favour. Generally, being a classic car guy I like and respect his content. I have an XJC like his, (mine a 6 his is a 12) and I love what he has done with it. But his criteria for a 4wd is not the same as mine, and to be fair his criteria probably aligns with most of the current Land Rover LC300 buyers etc, so that’s good. He just doesn’t speak for all of us.

 

[Max]

As my post above, it is not the product but they are seen as being able to " influence" the people that matters to them

The gullible...hearsay is the truth...the written word is gospel... the strength of character plays a big part in decision making, if you don't have it you will ultimately rely on someone else.

But from the horse's mouth, it is the next level, in come the owners.

 

[Loc Nar]

But from the horse's mouth, it is the next level, in come the owners.

Damn, Max is in here spitting Haikus. How can we keep up?

 

[Davman]

Can someone save me the time from watching these videos myself, and let me know if it appeared as though Harry had any issues with the electronic bing and bong issues?

 

[DenisM]

Can someone save me the time from watching these videos myself, and let me know if it appeared as though Harry had any issues with the electronic bing and bong issues?

those issues didn't' seem to ring a bell with Harry...

 

[Solmanic]

I was just fundamentally confused as to why he did essentially TWO on road tests, mainly the same? I thought the whole point of the farm test was to actually test the vehicle only on the farm.

And I also noticed how he conveniently used the "annoying" small rear door to quickly dump his boots in the back. His comments about the rear door setup seem to demonstrate that he simply doesn't understand the design intent. The small door is specifically designed to stick no further out than the spare wheel so you can always open it in any car space, even when you are backed up against a wall. If, as Harry prefers, the big door opens first, then you are never able to open the small door if the big one is blocked. You really have to fight your way through the gaps in his understanding of the design (diff locks, doors, how to use a steering wheel...) to get to some actual relevant review material.

One point he is however absolutely correct on is on durability. One of the Grenadier's main selling points is supposed to be its durability and there is no way we are going to know what this actually is for years.

 

[Max]

Damn, Max is in here spitting Haikus. How can we keep up?

Not quite Haiku.

Here's a little line for the Americans waiting...

Not born in the USA...but built in France...the dollargate opened...to tears and romance