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Grenadier almost killed me (or/and someone else)

alexandruast

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I had a very scary moment with my IG a few days ago.
I decided to write about it, because I feel that Ineos doesn't care about Grenadier owners, whatsoever.
More on that, later. Now, the incident:
It was an early cold morning, driving on a very busy national road (Romania, DN1). I was just hitting the road, so I pressed the driver seat heating button to warm up a bit. After a few seconds and some dings and dangs, the telltale screen was lit like a Christmas tree, with errors on all major systems - steering, gearbox, abs, esc, brakes, hydraulics, engine. I continued to drive, because the car was driving normally and I was being used to the IG's bugs and quirks. While driving, I called the local dealership to investigate, because the last time I drove the IG was back from the dealership after the service interval (software update, fluids and filters) - I thought it has something to do with the software update. The guy there was always very helpful, he sincerely apologized and suggested that I should restart the car to see if it goes away. It didn't go away after the first restart, but something strange was happening - the car would not move when accelerated, and the ESC telltale was flashing like I was on some very slippery surface. I called the technician again, and he advised to take a break for the system to reset, which I just did. After 5-10 minutes, the car started normally, no errors whatsoever. It was very drivable. At least for a while... because now comes the near-death-experience moment... My route required to take a left on this busy national road. Keep in mind that this is a very busy road, with no central barrier, six lanes, and no traffic management in place, and the usual speeds are between 80 to 120 km/h. Turning left usually takes anywhere between one to even 10 minutes if you are unlucky or slow to take off. As I just said, I was waiting patiently at the intersection for a gap in the traffic, the gap came so I pressed the accelerator firmly. The car accelerated normally for a second, then it brake itself and stalled in the middle of the f#cking street. I heard the brakes of the other cars on the opposite lane, hurling towards me at 100km/h. All traffic got halted. I had to restart the car once again, this time it drove normally and I could clear the intersection. Luckily, nobody was hurt... But I've never been so embarrassed in my entire life. I drove the car back to the dealership. While driving, I contacted Ineos International Roadside Assistance, which was not so helpful, with no technicians immediately available on the phone, but at least someone from the tech called me later that day. I told him the story, the car was already at the Ineos dealership for investigations.

Apparently, a rock somehow managed to damage the wheel speed crown on the rear wheel , and the car would spiral into a meltdown.
This is the Ineos official ticket: AA1052865
The guys from the local dealership don't know how to handle this issue (warranty or not), so the car is grounded in the meantime.
Same communication issues from the BMW dealership to Ineos, it seems it's Ineos specific, which is a damn SHAME!
INEOS, get YOUR shit together, mate!
 

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bemax

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What a nasty experience! Luckily nothing severe happened! I understand that your trust in the car now is severely limited.
This would of course be my first reaction.
Nevertheless I did not understand why you think that Ineos does not care.
 

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Well, it’s not like it didn’t try to warn you. 😜
Glad you’re safe.
Just to clarify; did the wheel speed sensor get damaged causing the braking systems to malfunction?
 

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As bad as it is, but that could happen with any car. In our Defender Td4 the Turbo VTG actuator broke (300,000 km old). In that moment the car stalled as it lost power and the engine went into the emergency running mode.

And such a problem is not exclusively reserved for new cars with a lot of electronic. Even with my old Series 2a it is possible that the carburettor bars and rails fail just in such a bad moment.

AWo
 

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I'm glad you're ok. This morning I was at a red light on a hill and my Gren was slow to fire back up when it turned green. Slight lag, but enough for me to roll backwards before the accelerator engaged. I find this a bit dangerous too.
 

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The guys from the local dealership don't know how to handle this issue (warranty or not), so the car is grounded in the meantime.
Same communication issues from the BMW dealership to Ineos, it seems it's Ineos specific, which is a damn SHAME!
INEOS, get YOUR shit together, mate!
The axles are Ineos specific, so it would make sense this is an Ineos specific part... As well, the same failure could have happened with any other vehicle that uses similar sensors.

An unfortunate instance, yes; but is not exclusive to the Grenadier
 
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I had an Opel go into limp mode when I gunned it to merge onto the autobahn. That was an ass puckering moment. Near as I tell the auto stop/start kicked in at the same time as my left foot and the ecu said "fuckit I quit". There are an infinite amount of unpredictable scenarios that can occur when new technology is introduced. I hope you're a one off.
 
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I had an Opel go into limp mode when I gunned it to merge onto the autobahn. That was an ass puckering moment. Near as I tell the auto stop/start kicked in at the same time as my left foot and the ecu said "fuckit I quit". There are an infinite amount of unpredictable scenarios that can occur when new technology is introduced. I hope you're a one off.
Nearly rear ended a VW California yesterday in our brand new (was <300km when we picked it up) 2024 BMW M340i Touring rental.... The auto/start stop turns off the engine on decel, and as we got to the roundabout at the end of the off ramp (slip road for the Europeans) and just about to a stop, it decided to kick the engine back on again, which overpowered the amount of brake I was applying. Me then jamming on the brakes quickly engaged the auto-hold function and subsequently turned the engine off again. Same story with pulling into tight parking spots in car parks/garages, the auto start/stop and auto-hold brakes make it a nightmare to do small movements. And don't get me started on the far worse implementation of ADAS features in this BMW than anything else I've driven.

But I digress, back to cars dying when you're trying to pull out into traffic
 
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