Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

[CountyV8]

More like pilot error.

 

[LeeroyJ]

No it isn’t. You’re keeping the car from floating, which is dangerous to everyone else, as noted above. In rising water YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LET THE WATER IN.

And there is no law that says you need to exit a vehicle any other way than by the doors.

Intentionally causing additional damage so that the vehicle is totaled because "I don’t want the car anymore" is in fact insurance fraud. The after-the-fact excuses that you did it in the name of public safety may not be enough to overcome your original statements.

But whatever, you do you. I don't work for the insurance company or the police. I'm not trying to change your behavior. I'm just trying to let you (or anyone else who reads your original suggestion) make a fully informed decision.

 

[Jeremy996]

NFU Claims in Bristol rang this afternoon, (01179060505, this is for my records as much as anything), to say that the designated engineers had declined the task as the vehicle is still under warranty. The lady on the phone was unfamiliar with Ineos and Grenadier, and wanted to deliver the immobile vehicle from storage to my drive, for an engineers inspection. I suggested again that they sent it to a franchised dealer and I gave her the supplying dealer details and Ineos Automotive's contact details. They, (NFU), are considering what to do next.

I don't want my vehicle written off; it's mine; the amount of water in the cabin is minimal, I was only just over the wading depth, (It does not have a raised air intake), I was foolish, not suicidal! It also weighs 3 tonnes and does not float in that much water.
At this point it seems certain that the engine has ingested water, so a big repair bill is inevitable, just how big I do not know. NFU's write off criteria is usually 60% of vehicle value. An LR 110 inline 6 is £22k installed, so that is the likely ball park.

If it was out of warranty, I would consider pulling the injectors, spinning the engine, a compression check, dropping the oil to see how much water was in it, changing the filters and replacing the oil and injectors and then try for a start. If it starts and runs smoothly, go thorough the other systems to see what works and what does not; if it doesn't, it's engine strip or engine replace time, depending on labour or short engine cost. How NFU will view it, I do not know, but the decision will be a balance between what they can realise by selling it as a write off and the labour and parts costs for a fix.

Looking on the BMW forums, there does not seem to be 'typical' hydro-lock damage, it all seems to end with scrap or engine replacement. For the old LR110/90, Defender and Series, it tends to be bent con-rods, pushrods and valves.

Enterprise Car Hire will be lending me a small hatchback for 14 days as part of the NFU plan from 1300 tomorrow; very useful as I have a client meeting in Nuneaton on Friday.

 

[ECrider]

NFU Claims in Bristol rang this afternoon, (01179060505, this is for my records as much as anything), to say that the designated engineers had declined the task as the vehicle is still under warranty. The lady on the phone was unfamiliar with Ineos and Grenadier, and wanted to deliver the immobile vehicle from storage to my drive, for an engineers inspection. I suggested again that they sent it to a franchised dealer and I gave her the supplying dealer details and Ineos Automotive's contact details. They, (NFU), are considering what to do next.

I don't want my vehicle written off; it's mine; the amount of water in the cabin is minimal, I was only just over the wading depth, (It does not have a raised air intake), I was foolish, not suicidal! It also weighs 3 tonnes and does not float in that much water.
At this point it seems certain that the engine has ingested water, so a big repair bill is inevitable, just how big I do not know. NFU's write off criteria is usually 60% of vehicle value. An LR 110 inline 6 is £22k installed, so that is the likely ball park.

If it was out of warranty, I would consider pulling the injectors, spinning the engine, a compression check, dropping the oil to see how much water was in it, changing the filters and replacing the oil and injectors and then try for a start. If it starts and runs smoothly, go thorough the other systems to see what works and what does not; if it doesn't, it's engine strip or engine replace time, depending on labour or short engine cost. How NFU will view it, I do not know, but the decision will be a balance between what they can realise by selling it as a write off and the labour and parts costs for a fix.

Looking on the BMW forums, there does not seem to be 'typical' hydro-lock damage, it all seems to end with scrap or engine replacement. For the old LR110/90, Defender and Series, it tends to be bent con-rods, pushrods and valves.

Enterprise Car Hire will be lending me a small hatchback for 14 days as part of the NFU plan from 1300 tomorrow; very useful as I have a client meeting in Nuneaton on Friday.

Thanks update Jeremy, doing what I would in the same circumstances. All rooting for your car!

 

[LeeroyJ]

NFU Claims in Bristol rang this afternoon, (01179060505, this is for my records as much as anything), to say that the designated engineers had declined the task as the vehicle is still under warranty. The lady on the phone was unfamiliar with Ineos and Grenadier, and wanted to deliver the immobile vehicle from storage to my drive, for an engineers inspection. I suggested again that they sent it to a franchised dealer and I gave her the supplying dealer details and Ineos Automotive's contact details. They, (NFU), are considering what to do next.

I don't want my vehicle written off; it's mine; the amount of water in the cabin is minimal, I was only just over the wading depth, (It does not have a raised air intake), I was foolish, not suicidal! It also weighs 3 tonnes and does not float in that much water.
At this point it seems certain that the engine has ingested water, so a big repair bill is inevitable, just how big I do not know. NFU's write off criteria is usually 60% of vehicle value. An LR 110 inline 6 is £22k installed, so that is the likely ball park.

If it was out of warranty, I would consider pulling the injectors, spinning the engine, a compression check, dropping the oil to see how much water was in it, changing the filters and replacing the oil and injectors and then try for a start. If it starts and runs smoothly, go thorough the other systems to see what works and what does not; if it doesn't, it's engine strip or engine replace time, depending on labour or short engine cost. How NFU will view it, I do not know, but the decision will be a balance between what they can realise by selling it as a write off and the labour and parts costs for a fix.

Looking on the BMW forums, there does not seem to be 'typical' hydro-lock damage, it all seems to end with scrap or engine replacement. For the old LR110/90, Defender and Series, it tends to be bent con-rods, pushrods and valves.

Enterprise Car Hire will be lending me a small hatchback for 14 days as part of the NFU plan from 1300 tomorrow; very useful as I have a client meeting in Nuneaton on Friday.

If its insured, and the only problem is a new engine, then hopefully the impact to you will be minimal.

A few years ago my son took his new Jeep Rubicon for its first oil change and the shop forgot to put the replacement oil in the engine. The shop's insurance company paid for a brand new replacement engine to be installed and ironically the new engine ran smoother than the original (same exact engine type) and gave him several years of problem free operation.

Sadly, about 30.000 miles later, my son went for another oil change (at another shop) and when trying to get the filter off the shop mechanic working on it tore the filter housing allowing debris to get into the engine. He didn't say anything about this at the time, but it ended up causing the replacement engine to need a full replacement too. Unfortunately due to the age and mile on his jeep the second time, the shop's insurance would only provide a "newly rebuilt" engine. At that point he traded in the Jeep for a Toyota Four Runner.

Long irrelevant story, but my point was a brand-new engine is not really the kiss of death for your IG if that ends up being what is needed. It could potentially impact resale value, but that only matters if you are trying to sell it.

Hopefully though, there is an easy fix.

 

[Cheshire cat]

I read that the B57 is a very strong engine. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it is perfectly salvageable.

 

[Shopkeep]

I would be surprised if any Ineos dealer would want to do an engine swap under warranty as they would be unlikely to be able to perform it within the designated book time, they could take a big loss on the job. For insurance work at least they should be able to include enough labour hours to cover the job, but this may increase the price to a level it becomes a write off anyway. Hopefully its not a full engine replacement but just a few readily available parts and you are back on the road soon.

 

[C-Mack]

Even if insurance comes through and a new engine is indeed required and installed the amount of components which will be disturbed in the process of installing the new engine will create issues down the road. As much as I would hate it I'd almost prefer the insurance company total it out.

If it does get repaired I certainly wouldn't hold on to it for very long and sell it. Seems a bit extreme I know but I've never been lucky with vehicles repaired after suffering damage as new problems always crop up as a result of the damage and methods used to repair it. Water damage is one of the more difficult things to resolve as components which got wet continue to corroded and cause issues.

Fingers crossed it can be resolved without too much trouble and you get more life out of the vehicle if possible.

 

[Jeremy996]

NFU Mutual have loaned me an Enterprise Rental car Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 manual for 14 days. Having done a 60 miles around trip, I'm not a fan. It's claiming 51.8mpg and Apple CarPlay works, but it has as much personality as our fridge. New, these cars are about £22k, so if I am in the market, I will not be buying one of these.

This Corsa seems Astra sized to me, so small to mid market cars are getting bigger; back in the '80s and early '90s, my wife and I had a succession of 5 Vauxhall Novas, from 1.0 Base to 1.6GTE, all three door hatches in Carmine Red.

 

[Cheshire cat]

NFU Mutual have loaned me an Enterprise Rental car Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 manual for 14 days. Having done a 60 miles around trip, I'm not a fan. It's claiming 51.8mpg and Apple CarPlay works, but it has as much personality as our fridge. New, these cars are about £22k, so if I am in the market, I will not be buying one of these.

This Corsa seems Astra sized to me, so small to mid market cars are getting bigger; back in the '80s and early '90s, my wife and I had a succession of 5 Vauxhall Novas, from 1.0 Base to 1.6GTE, all three door hatches in Carmine Red.

1.3 SR & 1.6 GTE for me. Mid to late 80’s

 

[CRH]

1.3 SR & 1.6 GTE for me. Mid to late 80’s

Have you seen the price of good ones lately & when I say good, I mean condition

 

[Cheshire cat]

Have you seen the price of good ones lately & when I say good, I mean condition

Would certainly get all your money back if you held on for 40 years

 

[Jean Mercier]

NFU Mutual have loaned me an Enterprise Rental car Vauxhall Corsa 1.2 manual for 14 days. Having done a 60 miles around trip, I'm not a fan. It's claiming 51.8mpg and Apple CarPlay works, but it has as much personality as our fridge. New, these cars are about £22k, so if I am in the market, I will not be buying one of these.

This Corsa seems Astra sized to me, so small to mid market cars are getting bigger; back in the '80s and early '90s, my wife and I had a succession of 5 Vauxhall Novas, from 1.0 Base to 1.6GTE, all three door hatches in Carmine Red.

I only saw this thread now: I feel sorry for you, of course. I hope you will be able to drive your or any Grenadier soon

 

[Jeremy996]

The hire Corsa

Back in the day we did the full range of Novas, 1.0 Base, (1984), 1.2 Swing (1985), 1.3SR, (1997), 1.2 Star, (?), 1.6GTE, (1989-1991). I sold the GTE for the Morgan I still have.

The picture is from 1985/86, so the 1.2 Swing and the 1.0 Base. The price of a non-broken one now is just nuts - the 1.2 Swing was £4500 OTR; if you could find one, you would be paying more to take it to the Festival of the Unexceptional.

 

[255/85]

NFU Claims in Bristol rang this afternoon, (01179060505, this is for my records as much as anything), to say that the designated engineers had declined the task as the vehicle is still under warranty. The lady on the phone was unfamiliar with Ineos and Grenadier, and wanted to deliver the immobile vehicle from storage to my drive, for an engineers inspection. I suggested again that they sent it to a franchised dealer and I gave her the supplying dealer details and Ineos Automotive's contact details. They, (NFU), are considering what to do next.

I don't want my vehicle written off; it's mine; the amount of water in the cabin is minimal, I was only just over the wading depth, (It does not have a raised air intake), I was foolish, not suicidal! It also weighs 3 tonnes and does not float in that much water.
At this point it seems certain that the engine has ingested water, so a big repair bill is inevitable, just how big I do not know. NFU's write off criteria is usually 60% of vehicle value. An LR 110 inline 6 is £22k installed, so that is the likely ball park.

If it was out of warranty, I would consider pulling the injectors, spinning the engine, a compression check, dropping the oil to see how much water was in it, changing the filters and replacing the oil and injectors and then try for a start. If it starts and runs smoothly, go thorough the other systems to see what works and what does not; if it doesn't, it's engine strip or engine replace time, depending on labour or short engine cost. How NFU will view it, I do not know, but the decision will be a balance between what they can realise by selling it as a write off and the labour and parts costs for a fix.

Looking on the BMW forums, there does not seem to be 'typical' hydro-lock damage, it all seems to end with scrap or engine replacement. For the old LR110/90, Defender and Series, it tends to be bent con-rods, pushrods and valves.

Enterprise Car Hire will be lending me a small hatchback for 14 days as part of the NFU plan from 1300 tomorrow; very useful as I have a client meeting in Nuneaton on Friday.

I was recently quoted <$6K USD for a new complete short block at the local BMW dealer. {I don't remember the actual number.) Knowing your willingness to "pitch in" after reading your LR restoration blog, I'd consider disassembling as much as you can in your drive, removing the prop shafts, and having the car towed to a trusted local shop for the heavy work while you sort the small bits. You'll need to do things like spray out the harnesses/looms with electrical cleaner or hand clean the intake system which would be exorbitant at any shop. Work? Yes, of that there is no doubt. At least you'll know its been done to your satisfaction.

 

[Eric]

I was recently quoted <$6K USD for a new complete short block at the local BMW dealer. {I don't remember the actual number.) Knowing your willingness to "pitch in" after reading your LR restoration blog, I'd consider disassembling as much as you can in your drive, removing the prop shafts, and having the car towed to a trusted local shop for the heavy work while you sort the small bits. You'll need to do things like spray out the harnesses/looms with electrical cleaner or hand clean the intake system which would be exorbitant at any shop. Work? Yes, of that there is no doubt. At least you'll know its been done to your satisfaction.

That means taking it out of the hands of the NFU, under the circumstances I don't think I'd go done that route " just in case" to cover all unexpected costs. The NFU would want all hire car costs and other associated costs ( recovery) refunded if you withdraw your claim