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Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

Jeremy996

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Yesterday, about 0915 I drowned my Grenadier in a flash flood less than 6 miles from my house. This photo was taken about an hour later and the water had reduced by the height of the sill, but that does not account for the cross current and the water uplift as the Grenadier was driven along the single track road.

In retrospect, just driving into it was a dumb idea, ('No shit, Sherlock!'), but this is my usual route to work, I was late and although it does flood here at least once a year, this occurrence was special, with Fire, Police and Ambulance all declaring a "Major Incident" for Leicestershire.

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My colleagues from Leicestershire & Rutland 4x4 Response, (LR4x4R), got me and my stuff out of the truck, after we found that the truck was about as mobile as a rock and the only way to release it was the transfer box bolt, under the truck, in the swirling water. The floods were caused by the rapid melting of snow over already saturated ground, so the water was very cold and very muddy. Riggers boots are no substitute for waders or a dry suit.

One of the local residents gave me updates on the water level overnight and by the morning, the road was dry enough for scrabbling around on the floor.

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This is me disconnecting the bridle from the big strop attached to a mid '70s Series III 88", (ex RAF diesel 2.25, converted to petrol 2.25).

Then came the pain of recovery; AA/Ineos Recovery declined to assist as it was "self-inflicted"; fine, (not fine at all, they could have told me yesterday). My insurer, NFU, sent Unity of Leicester to recovery my truck to 'Storage' pending an engineering assessment and claim decision.
Timescale; recovery from the lane to the layby 0745 to 0810, 15 minutes on hold to the AA, 10 minutes useless faffing on the phone and an over-elaborate explanation where "you are on your own, Chuck!" would have been quicker and easier to understand. Final recovery by Unity at 1250.

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( I won't bore you with a picture of each side of the Gren on the recovery tray, you all know what one looks like). These are to keep the storage guys honest.

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There is the 88" and my Morgan; two vehicles, each about 50 years old to collect a youngster!

So far, NFU Insurance has been worth every penny; I will be lent a rental car for 14 days pending a claims assessment. As the truck is dry inside, I am hoping for a repair; if they write off the vehicle, I only have a small window to reclaim my personalised plate. I will need to remind them that the Grenadier has a 5 year warranty, so they need to use genuine spares and keep the receipts, as the insurance company will not use the dealer unless they absolutely have to.
 
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing .
Hope it gets sorted quickly and it's not to painful to rectify.

G.
 

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That is a woeful tale Jeremy. Sorry this has happened to you. Regarding transmission. Would this have been the same with many modern vehicles? Not being able to tow it out.
Hopefully the repair will be quite feasible.
 

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I suggest you raise a formal complaint with the AA. They will not recover you from water, but according to their T&C's they will recover you once clear of the water.
 
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Bugger. I almost went wading on the A303 on Sunday but decided against it and followed the rest of the traffic on a single lane on a dual carriageway (felt a bit of a fraud). Watched an artic go through the other lane and it was surprisingly deep, at least 0.5m+. Not always easy to judge depth
 

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I passed a queue of traffic only to see the flood that had stopped everyone. I went for it with heart in mouth. Got lucky but didn’t feel anymore than a chancer.
 

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I'd be following it to a hoist ASAP. Curiosity would prevent me sleeping.
All the best with getting this situation untangled and sorted for the good.
 

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I thought you could tow it for short distances, up to and onto a flatbed, by putting the transmission in neutral and putting the transfer leaver between high and low range unlocked.
probably turn the ignition key to first stop to unlock the steering.
On another thread he stated "I cannot reasonably get access to the neutral bolt, (the water is barely above freezing and it is moving at quite a rip). Ineos/AA recovery say they cannot do anything until the water recedes... the neutral bolt would require a scuba set and a dry suit to access."
 

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I thought you could tow it for short distances, up to and onto a flatbed, by putting the transmission in neutral and putting the transfer leaver between high and low range unlocked.
probably turn the ignition key to first stop to unlock the steering.
I was going to suggest the unofficial transfer box neutral as per above, the no mans land between high and low range unlocked. If completely drowned and electrics fried you might not be able to get into Neutral, but this would also work if stuck in Drive or Park? When you accidentally don't engage Low Unlocked due to not moving the lever correctly the drivetrain seems like it is disconnected (does not sound great though...)
 

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I was going to suggest the unofficial transfer box neutral as per above, the no mans land between high and low range unlocked. If completely drowned and electrics fried you might not be able to get into Neutral, but this would also work if stuck in Drive or Park? When you accidentally don't engage Low Unlocked due to not moving the lever correctly the drivetrain seems like it is disconnected (does not sound great though...)
I am sure it is in the Ineos documents somewhere but stresses only for very short distances
 

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On another thread he stated "I cannot reasonably get access to the neutral bolt, (the water is barely above freezing and it is moving at quite a rip). Ineos/AA recovery say they cannot do anything until the water recedes... the neutral bolt would require a scuba set and a dry suit to access."
Yes but what I wrote didn't require access to the neutral bolt.
 

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I've seen a vehicle with all four wheels locked winched before. You need a lot of winch line and a lot of purchases together with good anchoring of the tow vehicle. The mud and water for your stranded vehicle would make the job a bit easier than it would be in dry asphalt.

Of course that's no help now, but just FYI.

I'm curious to know if that "no-man's land" neutral for the transfer box would work?

Don't give up hope, it may be a simple issue and fix. I hope for you it is.
 
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