Ok but we are apparently talking about different wheels. I’m looking for the wheel pictured on top of this thread, bronze color on red Gren. I don’t see those wheels on Owls site at all.They do look similar but they are not the same. Owl has these made for them directly and not by Black Rhino. For example, the designs are in fact different, BR wheels have a +32 offset to Owl’s +30, and a load rating of 3700 lbs to Owl’s 4200 lbs.