Auto return steering fix ?

[Jets]

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really auto return the vehicle ?
Bob

 

[DFW Guy]

The current meta is to use a Fox Adjustable steering https://owloutdoor.com/collections/...-series-2-0-ats-grenadier-steering-stabilizer


Mine is on order right now. Takes about 15 min to install and you can adjust how loose your steering feedback feels by adjusting the give on the steering stabilizer. So you can go from off-road to highway pretty easily.

 

[ilshamali]

Got this damper from Kuwait Grenadier dealer, with installation costs around $600. Its a game changer

 

[Trialmaster]

Can anyone explain why INEOS haven't fitted similar product on the production line? There has to be a reason.

FYI: I don't find the steering a problem at all.

 

[anand]

Can anyone explain why INEOS haven't fitted similar product on the production line? There has to be a reason.

As per a product manager in the UK I spoke with, the stiff damper was specifically decided upon to limit bump steer and driver fatigue in off road and rutted driving; a softer damper (all the aftermarket options, except potentially the adjustable Fox on very stiff settings) will transmit more of that jarring to the driver.

Fitting an adjustable shock to a production vehicle is very rare to find, in my opinion this is because of the added cost and liability associated (warning labels exist for a reason). An additional consideration is longevity of the part. The Fox steering stabilizer (ATS and Performance series) sold by both Owl and Agile has a life of 50k miles with exclusively on-road driving, 10k miles with 50%/50% on/off road driving, or 1,000 miles of off-road driving (specifically stated in the ATS manual, the off-road mileage is left out in the Performance manual). While it may not be a big deal to many, doing any one of the BDR routes in the US means the shock is at the end of its life and must be rebuilt from just one trip. Which, if you don't have a Fox distributor near you that can rebuild them in-house, means you're without the stabilizer for some amount of time to have it shipped out, rebuilt, and shipped back. If you aren't handy enough or willing enough to do the replacement yourself, that also means paying someone else to do it.

 

[Tenac]

Mine comes in today so hope to get some miles under my belt and report back. I bought the Fox adjustable.

 

[Tom109]

As per a product manager in the UK I spoke with, the stiff damper was specifically decided upon to limit bump steer and driver fatigue in off road and rutted driving; a softer damper (all the aftermarket options, except potentially the adjustable Fox on very stiff settings) will transmit more of that jarring to the driver.

Fitting an adjustable shock to a production vehicle is very rare to find, in my opinion this is because of the added cost and liability associated (warning labels exist for a reason). An additional consideration is longevity of the part. The Fox steering stabilizer (ATS and Performance series) sold by both Owl and Agile has a life of 50k miles with exclusively on-road driving, 10k miles with 50%/50% on/off road driving, or 1,000 miles of off-road driving (specifically stated in the ATS manual, the off-road mileage is left out in the Performance manual). While it may not be a big deal to many, doing any one of the BDR routes in the US means the shock is at the end of its life and must be rebuilt from just one trip. Which, if you don't have a Fox distributor near you that can rebuild them in-house, means you're without the stabilizer for some amount of time to have it shipped out, rebuilt, and shipped back. If you aren't handy enough or willing enough to do the replacement yourself, that also means paying someone else to do it.

Back in my bike shop days, upon bike intake we would write up this situation as “adjust R.Der”, which could be interpreted as adjust rear derailleur, but actual translation was adjust rider.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I think I'm going to swap mine and just put my factory one in my drawer. Takes 15min to swap. Takes me longer than that to air tires lol. Figures I'll just swap out where I go offroading.

 

[anand]

I think I'm going to swap mine and just put my factory one in my drawer. Takes 15min to swap. Takes me longer than that to air tires lol. Figures I'll just swap out where I go offroading.

Takes you over 15 minutes to air up your tires?!

 

[Zimm]

Takes you over 15 minutes to air up your tires?!

must be an arb product.

 

[Zimm]

As per a product manager in the UK I spoke with, the stiff damper was specifically decided upon to limit bump steer and driver fatigue in off road and rutted driving; a softer damper (all the aftermarket options, except potentially the adjustable Fox on very stiff settings) will transmit more of that jarring to the driver.

That much kickback thru power ricircball steering? .... mmm.... If anyone has swapped to a fox unit and had even the least bit of perceptible increase in kickback, please post up.

 

[Dokatd]

That much kickback thru power ricircball steering? .... mmm.... If anyone has swapped to a fox unit and had even the least bit of perceptible increase in kickback, please post up.

He's not totally wrong. You most certainly feel more of the road. But it feels like any other vehicle for the most part. If you have the Fox adjustable you can quickly make an adjustment if you want, or, hear me out, keep your thumbs out of the steering wheel like any other vehicle off-road. As for bump steer, I question if the product manager knows what bump steer is. If you eliminate bump steer in the steering wheel then the truck will wiggle the front end while going over bumps. If you get rid of bump steer at the axle and allow it to all go through the steering wheel you will most certainly be irritated. The best option is to keep proper geometry in the front end to reduce bump steer at the source. Then allow what can't be mitigated to transfer about equally through the axle and the steering wheel.

Just more bullshit excuses by Ineos. Just make it an option to have a heavy duty stabilizer. Then they can charge people to make their trucks drive like crap. Or maybe the other way around, dunno which model is best.

 

[mcdoogs]

Does the aftermarket offer any non-adjustable (ie more robust) steering dampeners that are less stiff than stock? I’ve only seen adjustable ones but truthfully I haven’t looked hard.

I dont really have much interest in actually adjusting a steering dampener more than once. I would have interest in one that is tuned to allow the car to return to center with the compromise of some increase in feedback

 

[Zimm]

Does the aftermarket offer any non-adjustable (ie more robust) steering dampeners that are less stiff than stock? I’ve only seen adjustable ones but truthfully I haven’t looked hard.

I dont really have much interest in actually adjusting a steering dampener more than once. I would have interest in one that is tuned to allow the car to return to center with the compromise of some increase in feedback

right now i think you have the couple on Agile and thats it.

 

[Dokatd]

There are a ton of non adjustable dampers that will fit. You can get 2 versions of the fox and the King, those are all non adjustable. Then you can get OME, Ironman and a whole host of others. But why non adjustable. I agree that I dont care to adjust it more than once or twice, but considering the relatively inexpensive FOX unit that has multiple other benefits over a typical stabilizer and you can dial it in how you like it and leave it. I'm not sure why you would go with anything else. The adjustment knob is very small and unnoticeable. And it really is a set it and forget it. But being able to adjust to your liking in seconds is a great thing.

 

[mcdoogs]

There are a ton of non adjustable dampers that will fit. You can get 2 versions of the fox and the King, those are all non adjustable. Then you can get OME, Ironman and a whole host of others. But why non adjustable. I agree that I dont care to adjust it more than once or twice, but considering the relatively inexpensive FOX unit that has multiple other benefits over a typical stabilizer and you can dial it in how you like it and leave it. I'm not sure why you would go with anything else. The adjustment knob is very small and unnoticeable. And it really is a set it and forget it. But being able to adjust to your liking in seconds is a great thing.

Mostly because I was under the impression that the adjustable steering dampeners have a shorter lifespan than non-adjustable. I could be wrong there, but at least logically it makes sense that a simpler part will be more robust, materials and build quality being equal. Either way, it's quite a ways down my list of enhancements

 

[Dokatd]

Mostly because I was under the impression that the adjustable steering dampeners have a shorter lifespan than non-adjustable. I could be wrong there, but at least logically it makes sense that a simpler part will be more robust, materials and build quality being equal. Either way, it's quite a ways down my list of enhancements

Honestly should be the highest item on your list, but to each their own. It certainly makes the truck a joy to drive. The FOX adjustable and non adjustable are exactly the same part minus some valving for the adjustment. They have the same life span. The rebuild schedule is super conservative on these. Just run it until you feel like it's getting soft. These are run by thousands of jeepers and heavy truck guys without any issues.

 

[LeeroyJ]

I have a King dampener that I don’t think is adjustable. It works fine. But I was ok with the original steering. I had this installed on a whim because I was doing a ton of other work, and honestly probably didn’t really need it.

The vehicle seems a lot more stable on the freeway than I remember but I don’t know if that’s due to the dampener, the lift, the new shocks, or the different tires and wheels.

 

[Zimm]

I have a King dampener that I don’t think is adjustable. It works fine. But I was ok with the original steering. I had this installed on a whim because I was doing a ton of other work, and honestly probably didn’t really need it.

The vehicle seems a lot more stable on the freeway than I remember but I don’t know if that’s due to the dampener, the lift, the new shocks, or the different tires and wheels.

With all that I assume you got an alignment.

 

[LeeroyJ]

With all that I assume you got an alignment.

Yes. Had it checked again a couple of weeks ago (~5,000 miles since install) and Arrowhead Grenadier said the alignment was fine.