What are the options for the Nato plug in the back?

FlyingTexan · Dec 23, 2023

besides the portable winch most of us probably didn't order, what else can we do with this? Even if you have to splice into the lines? Secondly, if you pull the full current how long can the battery last? Can the motor charge it enough? Wondering if I could power a few fishing lights or something with it. Trying to find reasons to use it.

DaBull · Dec 23, 2023

FlyingTexan said:
besides the portable winch most of us probably didn't order, what else can we do with this? Even if you have to splice into the lines? Secondly, if you pull the full current how long can the battery last? Can the motor charge it enough? Wondering if I could power a few fishing lights or something with it. Trying to find reasons to use it.

Hi FlyingTexan, Yes, I find it disappointing that it appears the Nato Plug is useless unless we ordered a rear winch, which I imagine few have ordered. It may too early for anyone to figure out how it can be safely used since we don't have a wiring diagram yet. I am hopefully that someone on this forum with auto electrical experience will find some safe uses for the Nato plug that we can all use. Perhaps for charging the batteries or jump starting or power tools etc. DaBull

Lemon35 · Dec 23, 2023

@FlyingTexan thanks for starting this topic.

I was thinking of making an adapter/splice into a nato plug for my 4 tire air compressor? It's set up to clamp to the battery terminal posts currently. I have no plans or desire to install an onboard air compressor.

Disclosure: I have done ZERO research yet, so you electrical engineers out there please don't nuke me if this is the dumbest thing you've read today.

ADVAW8S · Dec 23, 2023

Nato plug historically were used to jump start another vehicle. You can buy adaptors for charging field equipment. US military use them to charge phones.

grenadierboy · Dec 23, 2023

Lemon35 said:
@FlyingTexan thanks for starting this topic.

I was thinking of making an adapter/splice into a nato plug for my 4 tire air compressor? It's set up to clamp to the battery terminal posts currently. I have no plans or desire to install an onboard air compressor.

Disclosure: I have done ZERO research yet, so you electrical engineers out there please don't nuke me if this is the dumbest thing you've read today.

Just FYI - a single air compressor can be neatly installed under the rear seat on the right (passenger side for LHD) of the car.

I know because I have down it; the ARB CKMA12 compressor.

anand · Dec 23, 2023

FlyingTexan said:
besides the portable winch most of us probably didn't order, what else can we do with this? Even if you have to splice into the lines? Secondly, if you pull the full current how long can the battery last? Can the motor charge it enough? Wondering if I could power a few fishing lights or something with it. Trying to find reasons to use it.

How long the battery lasts and can the motor charge it purely depend on how much current you're pulling through it. If I'm not mistaken, it will only be powered when the ignition is on and the EXT4 switch is on.

In theory, a 500A load (what it is max. rated for) would deplete the battery to a damaging level in around 6 minutes if the engine wasn't running. With the engine at idle this would increase to around 9 minutes.

As stated, the reason it is rated to 500A is for jump starting purposes, which only last a few seconds at a time.

You could very easily adapt the NATO to an Anderson SB350 (or 175 or 50) and charge a battery bank on a trailer while driving

Clark Kent · Dec 23, 2023

FlyingTexan said:
besides the portable winch most of us probably didn't order, what else can we do with this? Even if you have to splice into the lines? Secondly, if you pull the full current how long can the battery last? Can the motor charge it enough? Wondering if I could power a few fishing lights or something with it. Trying to find reasons to use it.

There is a long thread about the NATO socket here.
I made a NATO to 50A Anderson adapter to provide power to the DC-DC charger in my camper trailer. See here.
I derated the supply circuit by swapping the 350A fuse with a 60A fuse to suit my DC charger and to run my portable plug-in compressor.
The MY24 owners manual supplement has specific warnings (disclaimers) about using the NATO socket for other purposes. See post 260 of that thread.

DaBull · Dec 23, 2023

Lemon35 said:
@FlyingTexan thanks for starting this topic.

I was thinking of making an adapter/splice into a nato plug for my 4 tire air compressor? It's set up to clamp to the battery terminal posts currently. I have no plans or desire to install an onboard air compressor.

Disclosure: I have done ZERO research yet, so you electrical engineers out there please don't nuke me if this is the dumbest thing you've read today.

Hi Lemon35, Here's the warning link from Ineos regarding the Nato Plug. DaBull
https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/nato-plug-socket.12410957/post-1333238448

Lemon35 · Dec 23, 2023

@DaBull Thanks.

What I am thinking of will certainly require a de-rating with fuse swaps similar to what @Clark Kent Posted.

I'll be taking time with this one... not sure how I want to set up the rear of the truck yet.

FlyingTexan · Dec 23, 2023

Lemon35 said:
@DaBull Thanks.

What I am thinking of will certainly require a de-rating with fuse swaps similar to what @Clark Kent Posted.

I'll be taking time with this one... not sure how I want to set up the rear of the truck yet.

I wonder how easy it is to tie into that wiring and use it for a 2000w inverter in the back instead.

Clark Kent · Dec 23, 2023

FlyingTexan said:
I wonder how easy it is to tie into that wiring and use it for a 2000w inverter in the back instead.

Quite easy. The Ext4 (500A) overhead switch controls a solenoid fitted in the right rear corner under the trim. The solenoid and wiring are visible in this pic. There is a positive feed from the solenoid through the RH wheel arch to the NATO socket. The negative side of the NATO socket uses an earth return.
It would not be difficult to pick off power at the output side of the solenoid for other purposes like an inverter. The circuit is fused at 350A as noted above.

Arat · Jan 28, 2024

Lemon35 said:
@FlyingTexan thanks for starting this topic.

I was thinking of making an adapter/splice into a nato plug for my 4 tire air compressor? It's set up to clamp to the battery terminal posts currently. I have no plans or desire to install an onboard air compressor.

Disclosure: I have done ZERO research yet, so you electrical engineers out there please don't nuke me if this is the dumbest thing you've read today.

I also have similar interest (for ARB twin compressor), another possible use, for Converter, Thx, Cheers

Mountain4x4 · Jan 28, 2024

Interesting, since I own an Australian camper....that Nato to Anderson adapter will be perfect!

r75-gespann · Jan 29, 2024

Hello, at first time i saw the nato Socket i wondered. But at the second i saw that is very nice to habe. I find a starter cable .... And its works fine. I don't Must unlock the seats like defender. Now i build a portable back winch and connected it with the nato Socket. It works almost fine. It's enough for winching cars on Trailer or trees of the wood. If i need the Socket i let the engine run.

FlyingTexan · Feb 4, 2024

r75-gespann said:
Hello, at first time i saw the nato Socket i wondered. But at the second i saw that is very nice to habe. I find a starter cable .... And its works fine. I don't Must unlock the seats like defender. Now i build a portable back winch and connected it with the nato Socket. It works almost fine. It's enough for winching cars on Trailer or trees of the wood. If i need the Socket i let the engine run.

Where did you find this adapter?

DezRoamer · Feb 9, 2024

Lemon35 said:
@FlyingTexan thanks for starting this topic.

I was thinking of making an adapter/splice into a nato plug for my 4 tire air compressor? It's set up to clamp to the battery terminal posts currently. I have no plans or desire to install an onboard air compressor.

Disclosure: I have done ZERO research yet, so you electrical engineers out there please don't nuke me if this is the dumbest thing you've read today.

I think it's a good idea. I too have been imagining different ways to utilize the plug.

r75-gespann · Feb 16, 2024

Hello, i buy it at e...y . The ignition cable is six meters and not very flexible. I buy it for 140€. The plug ( i hope thats right) i buy online for 30€ . Thanks

portafilter · Jul 8, 2024

grenadierboy said:
Just FYI - a single air compressor can be neatly installed under the rear seat on the right (passenger side for LHD) of the car.

I know because I have down it; the ARB CKMA12 compressor.

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this is very tidy - where did you pick up power from?

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