NATO Plug,Socket

TheDocAUS · Oct 19, 2023

The Prototype is a NATO to 120 amp Anderson plug (not 50 amp). After seeing it I can understand why CTLAS did that. There are real risks adapting a high amp NATO plug intended to run a winch into a 50 amp Anderson.

The build quality is amazing. All quality components, crimped properly, rugged and suitable for offload use. In summary, military grade.

If I owned a large caravan with a large decent battery bank, I would upgrade the caravan to a 120 amp Anderson (plug and wiring). I would fuse the circuit in the van and use the adapter. It would be ideal for someone with this setup, using the NATO plug to power your Lithium batteries in the van. I would prefer not to have the winch on in order to power the circuit, so I would ask the auto-electrician for a solution - some have been posted on the forum.

A lot more work to do before any final opinions. My initial thoughts for me (offroad trailer, not caravan), is to run a 50 amp Anderson circuit from the main battery to an Anderson on the rear and leave he NATO as is. I would run it off the busbar if there is a spare stud, otherwise off the battery terminals with an inline MIDI fuse.

The NATO circuit to drive a rear winch, the 13 pin Euro plug poses real issues for Australian users - plus not all common towing tongues fit into the INEOS towbar. Not sure INEOS thought these out properly. It is something INEOS need to do in any revised model. In the meantime, owners will need to find the solution that best suits them. I am hopeful this will work for some van owners.

I will be asking the dealer to find an owner who can test a 120 amp Anderson on their caravan. Mine are all 50 amps Anderson plugs.

AnD3rew · Oct 20, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
The Prototype is a NATO to 120 amp Anderson plug (not 50 amp). After seeing it I can understand why CTLAS did that. There are real risks adapting a high amp NATO plug intended to run a winch into a 50 amp Anderson.

The build quality is amazing. All quality components, crimped properly, rugged and suitable for offload use. In summary, military grade.

If I owned a large caravan with a large decent battery bank, I would upgrade the caravan to a 120 amp Anderson (plug and wiring). I would fuse the circuit in the van and use the adapter. It would be ideal for someone with this setup, using the NATO plug to power your Lithium batteries in the van. I would prefer not to have the winch on in order to power the circuit, so I would ask the auto-electrician for a solution - some have been posted on the forum.

A lot more work to do before any final opinions. My initial thoughts for me (offroad trailer, not caravan), is to run a 50 amp Anderson circuit from the main battery to an Anderson on the rear and leave he NATO as is. I would run it off the busbar if there is a spare stud, otherwise off the battery terminals with an inline MIDI fuse.

The NATO circuit to drive a rear winch, the 13 pin Euro plug poses real issues for Australian users - plus not all common towing tongues fit into the INEOS towbar. Not sure INEOS thought these out properly. It is something INEOS need to do in any revised model. In the meantime, owners will need to find the solution that best suits them. I am hopeful this will work for some van owners.

I will be asking the dealer to find an owner who can test a 120 amp Anderson on their caravan. Mine are all 50 amps Anderson plugs.

I made my own Nato to 50amp Anderson. Don’t know about the risks, but I can tell you my compressor has never run better.

DenisM · Oct 20, 2023

I really don't understand the "concern". There is no more risk for example than connecting whatever directly to the battery.
The NATO socket simply offers a high Amp DC outlet. It doesn't matter whether you draw 200 amps or 2 amps as long as whatever is connected is properly fused and sufficient for the intended load! We make this choice every day:
For example: Most (Australian) domestic general power outlets offer 10-15 amp at240V.AC... (2.4 -3.6kw). One draws as much or as little as is required.... 15A for a heavy duty power saw or MIG Welder, or 50mA for a 10w usb charger....
Still, where general product liability is concerned I suppose the "Darwin Awards" show the stupidity of some end-users knows no bounds...!

(Time for my grandad nap..

)

TheDocAUS · Oct 20, 2023

DenisM said:
I really don't understand the "concern". There is no more risk for example than connecting whatever directly to the battery.
The NATO socket simply offers a high Amp DC outlet. It doesn't matter whether you draw 200 amps or 2 amps as long as whatever is connected is properly fused and sufficient for the intended load! We make this choice every day:
For example: Most (Australian) domestic general power outlets offer 10-15 amp at240V.AC... (2.4 -3.6kw). One draws as much or as little as is required.... 15A for a heavy duty power saw or MIG Welder, or 50mA for a 10w usb charger....
Still, where general product liability is concerned I suppose the "Darwin Awards" show the stupidity of some end-users knows no bounds...!

(Time for my grandad nap.. )

There is a concern about end users doing something stupid.

Clark Kent · Oct 20, 2023

DenisM said:
I really don't understand the "concern". There is no more risk for example than connecting whatever directly to the battery.
The NATO socket simply offers a high Amp DC outlet. It doesn't matter whether you draw 200 amps or 2 amps as long as whatever is connected is properly fused and sufficient for the intended load! We make this choice every day:
For example: Most (Australian) domestic general power outlets offer 10-15 amp at240V.AC... (2.4 -3.6kw). One draws as much or as little as is required.... 15A for a heavy duty power saw or MIG Welder, or 50mA for a 10w usb charger....
Still, where general product liability is concerned I suppose the "Darwin Awards" show the stupidity of some end-users knows no bounds...!

(Time for my grandad nap.. )

Agree completely Denis.
As a repurposed Anderson supply the NATO socket would normally deliver perhaps 20 to 60 Amps to a trailer mounted DC-DC charger or even a portable compressor. Using a RedArc BCDC50 as an example; RedArc say to fuse the input side at 60 Amps and place it close to the supply battery. For a trailer/caravan application this means fusing at the tow vehicle battery.
However, if the input power is being delivered via the NATO socket then the upstream fuse is rated at 350 Amps. That's a DC welding level of current if there is a short circuit at or after the Anderson plug. With no guarantee that the customer has installed suitable circuit protection, CTALS needed to proceed carefully.
They are quite interested in the Grenadier electrical configuration and providing other solutions to owners (not forgetting the DTP kits they do - arranged by @TheDocAUS). I may be visiting them next week with my Grenadier so they can eyeball the vehicle to understand it better.

TheDocAUS · Oct 23, 2023

AUSTRALIA: NATO to 120 amp Anderson adapter now available
CTALS has now listed the NATO to 120 amp Anderson adapter on their website here. The first batch has been sold out. So it is now a pre-order. NOTE: it is a 120 amp Anderson, not a 50 amp.

I think it is real option for those towing large caravans, some of which are already fitted with a 120amp Anderson plug. It would not be that difficult to upgrade the plug and wiring from 50 amps. Tip: make sure the NATO circuit works are you expect and meets your needs before buying the adapter. Also read the warning given on the CTALS website about fusing the circuit.

If you want a NATO to 50 amp Anderson adapter you will need to buy the parts and make your own. I do not believe CTALS is offering that option.

One downside of the environment cover on the Anderson plug is I cannot connect it to my battery box (which has both 50amp and 120amp plugs fitted).

bigleonski · Oct 24, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
AUSTRALIA: NATO to 120 amp Anderson adapter now available
CTALS has now listed the NATO to 120 amp Anderson adapter on their website here. The first batch has been sold out. So it is now a pre-order. NOTE: it is a 120 amp Anderson, not a 50 amp.

I think it is real option for those towing large caravans, some of which are already fitted with a 120amp Anderson plug. It would not be that difficult to upgrade the plug and wiring from 50 amps. Tip: make sure the NATO circuit works are you expect and meets your needs before buying the adapter. Also read the warning given on the CTALS website about fusing the circuit.

If you want a NATO to 50 amp Anderson adapter you will need to buy the parts and make your own. I do not believe CTALS is offering that option.

One downside of the environment cover on the Anderson plug is I cannot connect it to my battery box (which has both 50amp and 120amp plugs fitted).

Crikey - $500 for an adapter to “Fix” something we paid for……..
Yep, that’s fit for purpose right there.

TheDocAUS · Oct 24, 2023

bigleonski said:
Crikey - $500 for an adapter to “Fix” something we paid for……..
Yep, that’s fit for purpose right there.

You need to speak to INEOS, the adapter is just trying to provide a solution to the problem faced by caravan owners in Australia.

The NATO plug is not exactly suitable for towing in Australia. But if you have a big van with a big battery bank it is probably the most economical solution. Anything to do with military grade NATO plugs costs a small fortune. The quality is at a completely different level, compared to 50 amp Anderson plugs.

DenisM · Oct 24, 2023

bigleonski said:
Crikey - $500 for an adapter to “Fix” something we paid for……..
Yep, that’s fit for purpose right there.

The problem is that the Grenadier has a large 'road presence'....so "they" see you coming... $$$

One more thing... like indulging a new love...one is tempted to spend $$$$ on the Grenadier to pimp it whether we need it or not "because one day we'll be glad we did" .... which is why it's exceedingly important to introduce one's "true love" to the "new love" in such a way that harmony is maintained

GavinD · Oct 24, 2023

One way to look at it is that is 3 hours of auto electrician (given my last invoice) to install a rear Anderson plug from scratch. Desperately trying to work out what ampage input is for my existing action trailer.

TheDocAUS · Oct 24, 2023

gre023 said:
One way to look at it is that is 3 hours of auto electrician (given my last invoice) to install a rear Anderson plug from scratch. Desperately trying to work out what rampage input is for my existing action trailer.

I am identifying all the wiring I can do, to reduce the auto electricians bill, they cost a fortune. In a recent case they charged more than my skin specialist per hour.

I will be installing the UHF x2, the solar panel and probably the Anderson plugs to the rear and inside the car. I will also wire in the camping lights on the roof, with my DTP kit. The amount saved more than covers the cost of the quality plugs, wiring and tools I bought, and I will have spares left over.

CTALS has been responsive to requests from INEOS owners. I wish a few more aftermarket 4X4 companies acted the same way.

DaveB · Oct 24, 2023

bigleonski said:
Crikey - $500 for an adapter to “Fix” something we paid for……..
Yep, that’s fit for purpose right there.

The catch phrase is "built on purpose" which just means they weren't surprised when a 4wd came off the production line in their 4wd factory.

Mr. Largo WINCH · Oct 24, 2023

Prise OTAN pour alimenter un compresseur d'air
Le Grenadier INEOS est équipé à l'arrière d'un socle de prise au standard OTAN (VG 96917) commandé par l'interrupteur EXT4 au panneau électrique de commande supérieur.

Mon compresseur TMax étant équipé d'une prise CB50, je vais réaliser une liaison électrique entre la prise OTAN et le compresseur à l'aide d'une prise OTAN compatible et d'un connecteur CB 50 haute puissance (2 voies, 50 A, 600 Volts).

Schéma de raccordement du compresseur

Pour information, la prise OTAN est disponible sur le site PARTAUTO
https://pieces-poids-lourd.partauto...8986-lpgrs-series/69822-g370/50623-g370-370cv

Krabby · Oct 24, 2023

If the above is saying you can relatively easily and cost effectively utilize the NATO socket to power a portable air compressor, I’m interested in that idea.

Tom109 · Oct 24, 2023

LARGO WINCH said:
Prise OTAN pour alimenter un compresseur d'air
Le Grenadier INEOS est équipé à l'arrière d'un socle de prise au standard OTAN (VG 96917) commandé par l'interrupteur EXT4 au panneau électrique de commande supérieur.
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Mon compresseur TMax étant équipé d'une prise CB50, je vais réaliser une liaison électrique entre la prise OTAN et le compresseur à l'aide d'une prise OTAN compatible et d'un connecteur CB 50 haute puissance (2 voies, 50 A, 600 Volts).

Schéma de raccordement du compresseur
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Pour information, la prise OTAN est disponible sur le site PARTAUTO
https://pieces-poids-lourd.partauto...8986-lpgrs-series/69822-g370/50623-g370-370cv
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I like this idea! It seems better than opening my bonnet to connect alligator clips.

bemax · Oct 24, 2023

Krabby said:
If the above is saying you can relatively easily and cost effectively utilize the NATO socket to power a portable air compressor, I’m interested in that idea.

I do so. It works very good!

DaBull · Oct 24, 2023

LARGO WINCH said:
Prise OTAN pour alimenter un compresseur d'air
Le Grenadier INEOS est équipé à l'arrière d'un socle de prise au standard OTAN (VG 96917) commandé par l'interrupteur EXT4 au panneau électrique de commande supérieur.
View attachment 7830621
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Mon compresseur TMax étant équipé d'une prise CB50, je vais réaliser une liaison électrique entre la prise OTAN et le compresseur à l'aide d'une prise OTAN compatible et d'un connecteur CB 50 haute puissance (2 voies, 50 A, 600 Volts).

Schéma de raccordement du compresseur
View attachment 7830624
Pour information, la prise OTAN est disponible sur le site PARTAUTO
https://pieces-poids-lourd.partauto...8986-lpgrs-series/69822-g370/50623-g370-370cv
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Hi Largo Winch, In the US, Would it not be easier to have a pigtail with a male Nato plug on one end and a regular female house hold plug on the other. That way we just plug in our air compressor into the female regular house hold plug and could even do the same with a battery charger and jump starter too. I would be interested in purchasing a pig tail wiring harness extension. DaBull

etbandit · Oct 27, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
I would run it off the busbar if there is a spare stud, otherwise off the battery terminals with an inline MIDI fuse.

Many thanks for getting the NATO with CTALS to market. Looks super well built. Was hoping it would be more affordable but at ~$500 I will end up wiring an Anderson to the spare 60A fuse in the 7-way busbar with a Redarc SBI12V isolator (solenoid) in-line.

Tazzieman · Oct 27, 2023

Tom109 said:
I like this idea! It seems better than opening my bonnet to connect alligator clips.

Opening the bonnet doesn't take much effort , and is free!

etbandit · Nov 3, 2023

Just spoke with the folks at Expedition HQ and they said that they have a NATO to 50A Anderson adaptor they've developed coming out soon!!!

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