Land Rover feeling the Heat?

AWo · Oct 10, 2023

My data is also from smmt, but it shows a different total. Does it not show commercial registrations?

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DenisM · Oct 10, 2023

klarie said:
The prius was a sarcastic joke. The Grenadier is not for downtown use. And a comparison between Cherokee ? Nope. If any current vehicle is somewhat close then a 4 door Wrangler.
I will for sure not take the Grenadier into Frankfurt city ..

Nothing wrong with taking a Prius into the outback!

View: https://youtu.be/YD8mlwVFohs?si=KC6GXzCpOTyQZAJ8

Mind you, I certainly won't be taking my IG there (Frankfurt) either!

Ever Pragmatic · Oct 10, 2023

AWo said:
My data is also from smmt, but it shows a different total. Does it not show commercial registrations?
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The commercial ones are in a separate smmt data base. It’s all on the website but under light commercials.

AWo · Oct 10, 2023

Ineos interprets the commercial registrations as a success in the commercial sector as if these car where used in a commercial way. However, I think, like I know it from many self-employed people, that they run their more expensive or dream cars on the company's bill as this has tax adavantages. But the use case is still private.

AWo

Ever Pragmatic · Oct 10, 2023

AWo said:
Ineos interprets the commercial registrations as a success in the commercial sector as if these car where used in a commercial way. However, I think, like I know it from many self-employed people, that they run their more expensive or dream cars on the company's bill as this has tax adavantages. But the use case is still private.

AWo

I got the commercial version for the lower road tax and I’m a private car buyer - not self employed.. when I did the math, I got the commercial one with all the toys and options for much less than a belstaff one. The only drawback is that I have a lower speed limit on A road and dual carriageways but that’s a risk I’m willing to take. Of the total vehicles on British roads, Ineos account for about .004% - rarer than chickens lips.

AWo · Oct 10, 2023

Ahh, differnet country, different regulations.

AWo

Simon C · Oct 10, 2023

Ever Pragmatic said:
I got the commercial version for the lower road tax and I’m a private car buyer - not self employed.. when I did the math, I got the commercial one with all the toys and options for much less than a belstaff one. The only drawback is that I have a lower speed limit on A road and dual carriageways but that’s a risk I’m willing to take. Of the total vehicles on British roads, Ineos account for about .004% - rarer than chickens lips.

I've done the same, was cheaper to spec the commercial with all the options I wanted than buy a Belstaff + cheaper Road Tax - I may even move the rear seat back one day if the kids complain too much!

McPharmer II · Oct 10, 2023

AWo said:
Ineos interprets the commercial registrations as a success in the commercial sector as if these car where used in a commercial way. However, I think, like I know it from many self-employed people, that they run their more expensive or dream cars on the company's bill as this has tax adavantages. But the use case is still private.

AWo

If you are self-employed nothing is private anymore. You know the meaning of "selbstständig"

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AWo · Oct 10, 2023

McPharmer II said:
If you are self-employed nothing is private anymore. You know the meaning of "selbstständig"?

I'am self-employed and with a GmbH, private and company stuff is clearly separated...

I used self-employed as the term for people owning/running a company. If that in addition means a special kind of company, where you liable for all wth your privat eproperty, than this is not exactly what I meant.

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ECrider · Oct 10, 2023

Simon C said:
I've done the same, was cheaper to spec the commercial with all the options I wanted than buy a Belstaff + cheaper Road Tax - I may even move the rear seat back one day if the kids complain too much!

yep likewise plus I prefer bigger load area than space for the very occasional passenger. The tax saving of over £2,300 first registration and then £200 less thereafter per annum was a big bonus. And you can move the seats back if you so wish.......so unless you really after a Belstaff edition/jacket then there's not much downside - I've yet to experience.

McPharmer II · Oct 10, 2023

My post was just a little teasing to the fact, that you are mostly right with the private use of some commercial cars.
As a e.K. I´m indeed liable with my private proverty for all mistakes in the company. Always nice to be reminded

Ever Pragmatic · Oct 10, 2023

Simon C said:
I've done the same, was cheaper to spec the commercial with all the options I wanted than buy a Belstaff + cheaper Road Tax - I may even move the rear seat back one day if the kids complain too much!

it is my plan or move the seats but I’ve sort of got used to them now as have my boys.. I’ll leave it until they’re taller.

Cheshire cat · Oct 10, 2023

Ever Pragmatic said:
it is my plan or move the seats but I’ve sort of got used to them now as have my boys.. I’ll leave it until they’re taller.

I moved the seats back and was very pleased with the results. Had to follow a bit of a work around with the rear guard until I can purchase Belstaff brackets.

Ever Pragmatic · Oct 10, 2023

Cheshire cat said:
I moved the seats back and was very pleased with the results. Had to follow a bit of a work around with the rear guard until I can purchase Belstaff brackets.

I’ve seen a post on the forum with a great work around on the barrier mounts. He managed to reuse the standard ones by using a 40mm tube - or somthing like that.

Cheshire cat · Oct 10, 2023

Ever Pragmatic said:
I’ve seen a post on the forum with a great work around on the barrier mounts. He managed to reuse the standard ones by using a 40mm tube - or somthing like that.

I know the post you referenced and I followed his advice with great success. The mod has proved a great workaround.

AWo · Nov 7, 2023

German official statistics of new car registrations from the KBA year-to-month-end October
JLR New Defender: 3730 (+388 in September)
JLR Discovery: 487 (+52 in September)
JLR Range Rover: 1156 (+153 in September)
JLR Land Rover all-in-all: 11817
Ineos: 734 (+123 in August)

An Ineos representative told my wife (she's driving a Grenadier from Huesca, Spain to Frankfurt, Germany) that there must be more registrations in Germany, the N1 cars. However, I wasn't able to figure that out, yet. Maybe the number of Grenadiers registered in Germany is higher. However, when I look at the list where only manufacturers are listed, no modells, it is the same as the number I see for M1 registrations. I'll keep digging....maybe I find N1 registrations.

The Discovery is really not a success.....

AWo

Sam · Nov 7, 2023

I think Ineos are a statistical irrelevance in relation to Land Rover sales

Mr.Espresso · Nov 7, 2023

anand said:
5,500 units a year is over 1/3 of the 2022 Defender sales figures (a number that was down 18% over 2021) in the US. Even at that low of an annual production, that's a substantial possible loss of customer base

I heard this being thrown around before, the idea of an import cap of 5-5.5k per year due to the Ineos not meeting some government regulation. Have you confirmed if this is indeed true?

Tinerfeño · Nov 8, 2023

klarie said:
the Velar is rather sporty

It is actually Jaguar F-Pace dressed as Land Rover. That's why it is so (stupidly) low. Technically same car.

Shaky · Nov 8, 2023

Tinerfeño said:
It is actually Jaguar F-Pace dressed as Land Rover. That's why it is so (stupidly) low. Technically same car.

I didn’t know that, but does explain quite a few things.

It certainly is nothing more than a school run special and an expensive commuter vehicle.

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