Diesel Rear fuel filter on diesel – Australian spec INEOS

TheDocAUS · Jul 14, 2023

This is a picture of the rear fuel filter on the INEOS Australian spec diesel motor. EDIT: the diesel fuel water separator is standard in some countries and optional in others. When choosing a diesel motor if the option costs $0 dollars it is standard, if you have to pay it is optional. A little smaller than a Prevent 200 oil catch can (size comparison only). The type of plastic used was very similar to the material used in the Provent 200 Oil Catch Can.

The fuel in line and fuel out line are at the top of the filter and you cannot see them clearly in this image. It is hard place to get a decent photo.

The plug on the bottom is a AMPSEAL plug. I will tape up those exposed wires near the bottom of the image on the AMPSEAL plug. The ladder frame was red, the car was black.

Fuel filter located near rear wheel arch, passenger side (RHD car). You can only see it by getting under the car. You cannot see it by looking into the wheel arch over the tyre.

I could see any third party brand name on the filter case, but I could only see part of the case. White label has INEOS' name on it.

Second fuel filter location
Thanks to @DenisM we have the location of the second fuel filter: "Slightly to the rear of the mid-line of the rear LHS passenger door. It's a cylinder -at a (very) rough guess about 50mm in diameter and about 120-150mm in length, retained in a white coloured plastic "saddle" clip which is screwed to a "vertical" surface... It's visible from the RHS although the view is partially restricted by a/the ?muffler."

Image here (thanks to @MarkH for the link). I am thinking a guard for that filter might be a good idea ( I have emailed KAON asking for one):

ECrider · Jul 14, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
This is a picture of the rear fuel filter on the INEOS Australian spec diesel motor. A little smaller than a Prevent 200 oil catch can (size comparison only). I will tape up those exposed wires near the bottom of the image.

Fuel filter located near rear wheel arch, passenger side (RHD car). You can only see it by getting under the car. You cannot see it by looking into the wheel arch over the tyre.

I could see any third party brand name on the filter case, but I could only see part of the case.

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this your Gren Doc?

TheDocAUS · Jul 14, 2023

ECrider said:
this your Gren Doc?

No, it was owned by INEOS Australia. They were production models at the Sydney 4x4 Show.

INEOS had three, 2 on show, one in the car park.

My car is scheduled for an August build.

TheDocAUS · Jul 15, 2023

The closest third party fuel/water separator I have found is the ACDelco® TP1014 - Professional™ Fuel Water Separator Diesel Filter more details here. Or it might be a custom filter from Hengst, origin still unknown.

There are differences, but I think I am on the right track. This is a GM fuel/water separator by ACDleco. Same material similar but not identical shape, eg AMPseal plug in different location to INEOS.

bakepl · Jul 15, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
This is a picture of the rear fuel filter on the INEOS Australian spec diesel motor. A little smaller than a Prevent 200 oil catch can (size comparison only). The type of plastic used was very similar to the material used in the Provent 200 Oil Catch Can.

The fuel in line and fuel out line are at the top of the filter and you cannot see them clearly in this image. It is hard place to get a decent photo.

The plug on the bottom is a AMPSEAL plug. I will tape up those exposed wires near the bottom of the image on the AMPSEAL plug. The ladder frame was red, the car was black.

Fuel filter located near rear wheel arch, passenger side (RHD car). You can only see it by getting under the car. You cannot see it by looking into the wheel arch over the tyre.

I could see any third party brand name on the filter case, but I could only see part of the case. White label has INEOS' name on it.

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Great pick up thanks, dealer wasn't able to tell me where this was but that was earlier this year. Wonder if it's a serviceable item or should I say how to service?

TheDocAUS · Jul 16, 2023

bakepl said:
Great pick up thanks, dealer wasn't able to tell me where this was but that was earlier this year. Wonder if it's a serviceable item or should I say how to service?

The INEOS rep told me the general location earlier this year, he was responsible for the ADR process.

When I could not see it from the wheel well we went under the car at that location. It was obvious once under the car.

I do not know service requirements, something I also wish to find out. It may not have a filter but we need to know how to drain water out.

DenisM · Jul 16, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
The INEOS rep told me the general location earlier this year, he was responsible for the ADR process.

When I could not see it from the wheel well we went under the car at that location. It was obvious once under the car.

I do not know service requirements, something I also wish to find out. It may not have a filter but we need to know how to drain water out.

Thanks for the update @TheDocAUS ! Most useful

Presuming the electrical contacts on the ACDelco example are for warning lights/ error messages/ fuel cut-off etc and there is a similar setup on the Gren
We not only need to know how it operates and service it, but may possibly need to carry a spare if the existing one becomes overloaded. I "suppose" it's location is to ensure it's out of harm's way
BTW: Good to see you're out and about!

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

Article on diesel filteration, not IG specific, but informative. Read here. At least with the IG we get two filters and no warranty dramas.

AnD3rew · Jul 25, 2023

DenisM said:
Thanks for the update @TheDocAUS ! Most usefulPresuming the electrical contacts on the ACDelco example are for warning lights/ error messages/ fuel cut-off etc and there is a similar setup on the Gren
We not only need to know how it operates and service it, but may possibly need to carry a spare if the existing one becomes overloaded. I "suppose" it's location is to ensure it's out of harm's way
BTW: Good to see you're out and about!

Yes interested to know how they have set this up in terms of warnings, and how to drain it. Normally with aftermarket diesel filters with water separation there is a warning and a way to drain the water from the filter/separator?

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

So would I.

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

Location of the 2nd fuel filter on the Aust spec diesel
When looking at the engine from the front of the car, it is on the right hand side of the motor back towards the firewall, then about half way down towards the bottom of the motor.

I have not seen it first hand but I was told by my Dealer.

bakepl · Jul 25, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Location of the 2nd fuel filter on the Aust spec diesel
When looking at the engine from the front of the car, it is on the right hand side of the motor back towards the firewall, then about half way down towards the bottom of the motor.

I have not seen it first hand but I was told by my Dealer.

I do believe the info above is describing the location of the oil filter. The main fuel filter is on the inside of the chassis rail (from memory passenger side for RHD) accessed from underneath the vehicle. Similar to BMW's.. it's a BMW filter..

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

bakepl said:
I do believe the info above is describing the location of the oil filter. The main fuel filter is on the inside of the chassis rail (from memory passenger side for RHD) accessed from underneath the vehicle. Similar to BMW's.. it's a BMW filter..

Without seeing it, you may be right. The dealer did say he had not confirmed it himself but this is what he was told.

It is frustrating that something as simple as this remains a mystery.

Owners should be told where the fuel filters are (petrol and diesel), how they should be serviced, especially how to deal with water contamination. Same goes for the oil and air filter, but they are easier. We are not asking for people to walk on water!

bakepl · Jul 25, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Without seeing it, you may be right. The dealer did say he had not confirmed it himself but thi sis what he was told.

It is frustrating that something as simple as this remains a mystery.

Owners should be told where the fuel filters are (petrol and diesel), how they should be serviced, especially how to deal with water contamination. Same goes for the oil and air filter, but they are easier. We are not asking for people to walk on water!

Yes, was a little while ago I visited a dealer with prototype and none was the wiser where filters were - early days so I got under and took a look. Couldn't find the secondary filter/water separator but know where it is now from here, just don't know how it needs to be serviced... yet..... all good. Boat lands in Port of Melbourne tomorrow so getting little closer.

bigleonski · Jul 25, 2023

The Ineos rep at the Mt Tambourine drive day said the inline fuel / water separator was under the vehicle in the vicinity of the rear passenger side seat. I didn’t look at the time and just took his word for it.

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

bigleonski said:
The Ineos rep at the Mt Tambourine drive day said the inline fuel / water separator was under the vehicle in the vicinity of the rear passenger side seat. I didn’t look at the time and just took his word for it.

The picture in the first post shows where it is located. He was correct.

TheDocAUS · Jul 25, 2023

I decided to look at the BMW B57 diesel motor to see if I could work out where the second fuel filter is. If I found the correct motor the fuel filter is down under the motor. Easy access from under the car. I look forward to the service manual to confirm where it is on the INEOS.

BMW B57 Reliability & Common Issues
My time was not wasted, as I found a useful article on common issues with the BMW B57 diesel motor. Read here. I followed a similar maintenance regime with my old Nissan diesel motor.

Plus also useful engine information posted earlier here.

DCPU · Jul 25, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
It is frustrating that something as simple as this remains a mystery.

So where are all the first impressions? (right here)

Jwhile going round a roundabout, at a pretty slow speed, the glasses slid across the dash and flew straight out of the passenger window. View: https://youtu.be/qdbJJ8UhM1I

www.theineosforum.com

TheDocAUS · Aug 7, 2023

We now know the location of the second fuel filter, thanks to @DenisM here. Pretty much the same place I saw it on a BMW car.

DCPU · Aug 7, 2023

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