General Oil check

DenisM · Feb 25, 2023

DesertGecko said:
Auto dipstick?

Check photo in post#21 engine dipstick plainly visible

Wayneos · Feb 25, 2023

DenisM said:
Christian might describe that spec as "dumb-ass" Unless perhaps the vehicle is to be operated in arctic-type extremes....

emax · Feb 25, 2023

Znarfgh said:
Where does one get one of these?

No special recommendation, but a German site for price comparisons. For a little bit more money you can get something serious.

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/Liste/4089269/oelabsauger.html?cmpReload=true

DCPU · May 22, 2023

So I had a go at this today. First attempt lasted for about 1 minute and gave me a brief message that the attempt had been aborted. I was on a 6 degree side slop at the time, so fair enough.

[same message - different day].

I re-positioned the vehicle somewhere flatter and tried again. It seems to keep the previous reading:

Note the revs rise on their own:

And then it tells me that I'm half a litre down on oil or it's used that much in 251 miles. Now that was a PDI item, wasn't it?:

And none of the screen messages remotely reflect what's in the Owner's Manual:

It looks more and more like things like the Owner's Manual have been outsourced to a third party with no real oversight on the output.

It's been delivered, invoiced, paid, a tick put on the project plan and they've moved to the next outstanding critical task...

Krabby · May 22, 2023

Level on-road is different than off-road? What does that mean?

DCPU · May 22, 2023

I'm assuming the requirement to have more oil in the sump/available given the vehicle may be at strange angles and potentially starving the oil pickup.

Krabby · May 22, 2023

DCPU said:
I'm assuming the requirement to have more oil in the sump/available given the vehicle may be at strange angles and potentially starving the oil pickup.

Makes sense. If you were to add the recommended 500ml, would the on-road level say there's too much oil? I'm not trying to be obtuse - just genuinely curious how two different oil levels are acceptable from the same system.

Xrford · May 22, 2023

Krabby said:
Makes sense. If you were to add the recommended 500ml, would the on-road level say there's too much oil? I'm not trying to be obtuse - just genuinely curious how two different oil levels are acceptable from the same system.

I suspect the on road acceptable range is 0-1 litre low and the off road acceptable range is 0-500ml. Hence he is still in the acceptable range for on road use and out of acceptable range for off road.

DCPU · May 22, 2023

All I know is there's half a litre missing...of an oil not available in the UK!

AWo · May 22, 2023

Jean Mercier said:
This is the B58 (Petrol): I didn't find a dipstick, but perhaps I missed it:
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That could become a nice forum game....find part X in that picture. The one who finds it can post the next puzzle...

AWo

AWo · May 22, 2023

I.M.H.O. a dip stick is a must. 2018 we drove to the netherlands to buy the 101 FWC. While I stopped the car at the dealer, the oil warning light went on, for just a second. I checked the oil, put 2,0 litres in and the dip stick was still dry. Later we figured out that a small 1 cent rubber piece at the oil separator (a small rubber valve) fall down next to the camshaft and the turbo sucked 400 ml of oil within 70 km.

That could have been the engine death on the highway just because the oil pressure sensor may have acted too late. Without the dipstick...what had we done? No chance other than to go to the workshop...and then? How do they check if enough oil is in? I assume a complete change of oil will be done. If the sensor went on as a mistake....you may often get an oil change.

BTW....how do you prevent overfilling the engine, if there is no dipstick? Are there some electronic sensors telling you when it is enough or do you have to count the litres exactly (which leads to an oil change every time there is a problem).

AWo

Wayneos · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
So I had a go at this today. First attempt lasted for about 1 minute and gave me a brief message that the attempt had been aborted. I was on a 6 degree side slop at the time, so fair enough.
View attachment 7813145
[same message - different day].

I re-positioned the vehicle somewhere flatter and tried again. It seems to keep the previous reading:
View attachment 7813140
Note the revs rise on their own:
View attachment 7813139

And then it tells me that I'm half a litre down on oil or it's used that much in 251 miles. Now that was a PDI item, wasn't it?:
View attachment 7813141

Assuming you have the diesel, did you check the dipstick to compare?

cheswick · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
All I know is there's half a litre missing...of an oil not available in the UK!

The spec is SAE 0/5W-30 BMW LL-12FE for diesel, SAE 0/5W-20 BMW LL-17FE for petrol - you should be able to find either of these as they are the same spec as used by BMW for these engines.

DCPU · May 23, 2023

Wayneos said:
Assuming you have the diesel, did you check the dipstick to compare?

Yes, I have the diesel. Looked a couple of times from above but no obvious sign of a dipstick.

DCPU · May 23, 2023

CheJ said:
The spec is SAE 0/5W-30 BMW LL-12FE for diesel, SAE 0/5W-20 BMW LL-17FE for petrol - you should be able to find either of these as they are the same spec as used by BMW for these engines.

From the Owner's Manual the recommended Engine Oil is Petronas Syntium 0W30 DG.

With regard to the oil spec, there's a thread all of it's own here:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/diesel-oil-specification-thread-b57-engines.12411746/

Eric · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
From the Owner's Manual the recommended Engine Oil is Petronas Syntium 0W30 DG.

And that appears not to be publicly available ( certainly in the UK) currently. And I'm sure someone ( you?) on the forum ( after speaking with Petronas) said it was a "first fill" only oil.
So the question is, what are dealers using for PDIs and subsequent oil change services.?

Wayneos · May 23, 2023

DCPU said:
Yes, I have the diesel. Looked a couple of times from above but no obvious sign of a dipstick.

Apparently it's right down the back and right side.
This is from a BMW X5, B57, so I'm not sure it's a perfect 1:1 with the Grenadier.

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DCPU · May 23, 2023

Yes, it's been seen on early engines but getting to it is another matter...

DenisM · May 23, 2023

@Wayneos ...depending from where you "look" . From the front of the car looking towards the windscreen, then, yes the dipstick is on the RHS.

The convention is that LH/RH are determined from behind the driver's seat looking forwards, in which case the dipstick is on the LHS of the engine well back towards the firewall and down low.

From other posts here, it may be partially hidden by the large engine cover and possibly has a 'black' handle rather than the conventional "yellow". The dipstick was certainly used for its intended purpose by the Ineos engineers during their Australian testing viz:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/oil-check.12348721/#post-1333127633

Happy hunting!!

DCPU · May 23, 2023

Green circle is where it's been seen.
Blue line would be where it should be going to be the least bit useful.

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