Fender / checker plate question

muxmax · May 11, 2023

Logsplitter said:
I’ll do things myself. As far as I’m concerned I don’t need permission to modify my own car and I’m prepared to take that risk

I hope for the aftermarket to come up with something. If it works for the new „Defender“ there must be a way to have those applied to the IG without violating any law.

FlyingTrotter · May 11, 2023

Thanks DaveB - Yep is they were legal in the UK and available and the UK supplied vehicle had the same wings as the Aussie one I would go for them - seemingly the UK supplied are differently constructed and the metal plates are illegal

I will probably go with some rubber surface covering which does not therefore qualify as a “modification” requiring insurer approval

ECrider · May 11, 2023

Really intrigued how they are re enforced. Will have to wait for Oz boys to have a look.

Krabby · May 11, 2023

At the NY drive event we were told that with or without the checker plating, the fenders are the same (there is no strengthening) and can hold 150kg. That might not be the case in UK/EU but we were told the NA wings were strong.

ECrider · May 11, 2023

Krabby said:
At the NY drive event we were told that with or without the checker plating, the fenders are the same (there is no strengthening) and can hold 150kg. That might not be the case in UK/EU but we were told the NA wings were strong.

I was thinking/hoping the same thing. Perhaps the 3mm of steel tread is the 'strengthening' that they refer to. As in, of itself it adds a certain amount of strength to the wing - giving a combined SWL of 150kg.

DaveB · May 11, 2023

ECrider said:
I was thinking/hoping the same thing. Perhaps the 3mm of steel tread is the 'strengthening' that they refer to. As in, of itself it adds a certain amount of strength to the wing - giving a combined SWL of 150kg.

ECrider · May 11, 2023

Tks DaveB. You reading that as no more extra internal strengthening over ROW specs and that the extra 60kg is given by the 3mm chequering?

DaveB · May 11, 2023

ECrider said:
Tks DaveB. You reading that as no more extra internal strengthening over ROW specs and that the extra 60kg is given by the 3mm chequering?

Yes
It is a little bit badly written.
That is the Australian accessories brochure.
They are not in the UK or USMCA brochure

Boston Boy · May 11, 2023

No offense, but the idea that it might be illegal to add checker plate or an anti-skid panel top of the fender on a car I own seems nuts to an American.

It might

bigleonski · May 11, 2023

Krabby said:
At the NY drive event we were told that with or without the checker plating, the fenders are the same (there is no strengthening) and can hold 150kg. That might not be the case in UK/EU but we were told the NA wings were strong.

I’d be checking that. (Pardon the pun)

DaveB · May 11, 2023

Boston Boy said:
No offense, but the idea that it might be illegal to add checker plate or an anti-skid panel top of the fender on a car I own seems nuts to an American.

It might

Every country has laws and rules others find crazy
I have watched Netflix/Prime shows where companies in the US just build/modify motorbikes and cars without any regards to roadworthy rules.
Fun shows but down the track who is responsible for legal/insurance issues in case of an accident?
Some clown builds his own roof rack and puts 400kgs on it, because it is super strong, then it breaks off and hits a bunch of school kids on the footpath.
Or adds a half inch thick steel plate to each fender and because it hasn't been crash tested it becomes a guillotine in a crash.
Below are a couple of pictures I took of a mates attempt to build a deck and a bridge over a pool a few years ago.
He built it twice as strong as a qualified builder would at half the price.
First person to find 10 massive errors wins smiley face

DCPU · May 12, 2023

Boston Boy said:
No offense, but the idea that it might be illegal to add checker plate or an anti-skid panel top of the fender on a car I own seems nuts to an American.

It might

I'm not sure why adding chequer plate would be illegal in UK either.

My understanding is it's difficult/near impossible (without spending huge sums) to get type approval for a new vehicle to market - but this does not stop the adding of chequer plate as an aftermarket option.

The situation with the front winch is similar.

Logsplitter · May 12, 2023

I’d be quite keen on some plastic /composite type chequer plate for the top of the fenders /wings should an after market supplier come up with it for the U.K. market.

DCPU said:
I'm not sure why adding chequer plate would be illegal in UK either.

My understanding is it's difficult/near impossible (without spending huge sums) to get type approval for a new vehicle to market - but this does not stop the adding of chequer plate as an aftermarket option.

The situation with the front winch is similar.

DCPU · May 12, 2023

I chucked an offcut of some rubber coin matting on a wing and I think it does look like it would compliment the overall looks:

So in terms of looking at the wing and any reinforcement UK models have, then it's worth looking at the 5 bolts down each wing inner edge (under bonnet):

They seem to not only reinforce the weaker inner edge but also run right angle "pier" supports down to the lower surface:

Whilst you can press down and feel deflection in the midspot of the wing, both edges are firm.

Some 3mm chequer plate, or other suitable robust material would probably take out all of that central deflection; but without it I don't think there's a problem, weight-wise, sitting on the wing.

One point of note if drilling through the wing tops is that on the left side (as per photos above) runs the large electrical cable attached to the remote positive terminal; and on the right side runs a similar diameter coolant hose linking the low(?) pressure header tank to the radiator.

muxmax · May 12, 2023

DCPU said:
I chucked an offcut of some rubber coin matting on a wing and I think it does look like it would compliment the overall looks:

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So in terms of looking at the wing and any reinforcement UK models have, then it's worth looking at the 5 bolts down each wing inner edge (under bonnet):
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They seem to not only reinforce the weaker inner edge but also run right angle "pier" supports down to the lower surface:
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View attachment 7811395

Whilst you can press down and feel deflection in the midspot of the wing, both edges are firm.

Some 3mm chequer plate, or other suitable robust material would probably take out all of that central deflection; but without it I don't think there's a problem, weight-wise, sitting on the wing.

One point of note if drilling through the wing tops is that on the left side (as per photos above) runs the large electrical cable attached to the remote positive terminal; and on the right side runs a similar diameter coolant hose linking the low(?) pressure header tank to the radiator.

Thank you! Would be interesting to see comparable non-EU pics at some point.

ECrider · May 16, 2023

DCPU said:
I chucked an offcut of some rubber coin matting on a wing and I think it does look like it would compliment the overall looks:

View attachment 7811385 View attachment 7811386

So in terms of looking at the wing and any reinforcement UK models have, then it's worth looking at the 5 bolts down each wing inner edge (under bonnet):
View attachment 7811389 View attachment 7811390

They seem to not only reinforce the weaker inner edge but also run right angle "pier" supports down to the lower surface:
View attachment 7811394
View attachment 7811395

Whilst you can press down and feel deflection in the midspot of the wing, both edges are firm.

Some 3mm chequer plate, or other suitable robust material would probably take out all of that central deflection; but without it I don't think there's a problem, weight-wise, sitting on the wing.

One point of note if drilling through the wing tops is that on the left side (as per photos above) runs the large electrical cable attached to the remote positive terminal; and on the right side runs a similar diameter coolant hose linking the low(?) pressure header tank to the radiator.

Missed this post on Friday. Excellent pictures and just what I was after. Noted cable/hose placement. Still undecided how to afix the chequer plate. Rivet or other. Concerned about rust etc.

DaveB · May 16, 2023

ECrider said:
Missed this post on Friday. Excellent pictures and just what I was after. Noted cable/hose placement. Still undecided how to afix the chequer plate. Rivet or other. Concerned about rust etc.

The checker plate is aluminium so use aluminium rivets
Make sure you seal the holes in the guard

DCPU · May 16, 2023

ECrider said:
Still undecided how to afix the chequer plate. Rivet or other. Concerned about rust etc.

Rivets would appear to be simple, but I do think they are ugly and should really be used only were absolutely required, i.e. blind holes.

Bolts with nuts on the inside would be my preference providing you can get your hand in to tighten them. I personally wouldn't worry about getting them off, as once the holes are drilled they are staying. The wings should be galvanised, so you should be able to treat the holes with a little zinc repair paint. Perhaps even some nylon shouldered washers would give an extra level of protection/separation?

Something like a Rawlnut flexiplug would also work - but the hole you are making is so much bigger.

ECrider · May 16, 2023

Bolts heads which would sit recessed into the 3mm chequer could well be the ticket. I may even look at some chequer for the bonnet. Will add some thin rubber backing to provide some protection.

Krabby · May 17, 2023

An interesting note from the NA configurer - the checker plates are listed as a dealer install. I assumed they were a factory fit.

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