wlan / wifi

[whiterabbit]

Hi!

Can anyone tell me how to deactivate wifi (WLAN) permanently? While Bluetooth remains switched off, wifi (WLAN) is reactivated every time the car is started.

Thanks in advance!

 

[landmannnn]

Hi!

Can anyone tell me how to deactivate wifi (WLAN) permanently? While Bluetooth remains switched off, wifi (WLAN) is reactivated every time the car is started.

Thanks in advance!

It isn't true WiFi, it is just there to allow car play or android auto to connect.

 

[whiterabbit]

Okay, thank you, but how can I disengage this permantently?

 

[landmannnn]

Okay, thank you, but how can I disengage this permantently?

I would suggest one of these would be the method.

 

[Eric]

Hi!

Can anyone tell me how to deactivate wifi (WLAN) permanently? While Bluetooth remains switched off, wifi (WLAN) is reactivated every time the car is started.

Thanks in advance!

It's no good, I'm going to have to ask, why do you want to disable the WiFi.

 

[whiterabbit]

It's no good, I'm going to have to ask, why do you want to disable the WiFi.

I don't need it and I don't want it to be activated permanently.
I don't want highgloss softtouch interior, keyless entry, electonic parking brake and lots of these new (in my humble opinion useless and unnecessary) stuff, so i bought my grenadier. And I don't want wifi as I don't need and won't use android auto. So there should be an option to deactivate it.

 

[DefenderGuy]

I don't need it and I don't want it to be activated permanently.
I don't want highgloss softtouch interior, keyless entry, electonic parking brake and lots of these new (in my humble opinion useless and unnecessary) stuff, so i bought my grenadier. And I don't want wifi as I don't need and won't use android auto. So there should be an option to deactivate it.

Like whiterabbit (albeit perhaps for somewhat different reasons), I don't need the wifi and I don't want it. My problem with the always-on wifi is that it broadcasts a unique SSID that is visible to anyone with a device capable of detecting wifi signals (like any computer or smart device). Given that the range of wifi is easily 50 meters or more, this has the potential to be a privacy nightmare. And, needless to say, it's also (at least in theory) a possible entry point for hacking the vehicle. (This is far worse than my automated toll transponder with its built in RFID transmitter; that at least requires special equipment to detect it and can't possibly connect with the vehicle itself.)

My dealer has assured me that I can permanently disable the wifi but my extended experiments thus far confirm what's reported above which indicates that the wifi can't be permanently disabled.

The accompanying screenshot illustrates what anyone with any form of wifi receiver can see whenever my vehicle is within range. And that identifier (partially blacked out) is almost surely unique to my vehicle. Which means I now have another preflight check off to perform in addition to all the ADAS nonsense every time I start my vehicle.

 

[landmannnn]

I think I saw the option to turn off wlan in the settings.

 

[DefenderGuy]

I think I saw the option to turn off wlan in the settings.

If you're referring to the communication setting shown in the snapshot below, then yes there is an option. But as I noted in the earlier post, even with Bluetooth and wifi both disabled when I turned the car off last a few hours ago, when I just powered it up now the wifi was once again automatically activated (see on position in snapshot).

That was my point: It appears to me that you have to affirmatively disable the wifi every time you start the car. Hence my ever expanding preflight checklist.

And if someone has a figured out a work around that I'm not seeing, please share it: I want to be proven wrong on this if that's possible.

 

[Krabby]

All IA has to do with this forthcoming (allegedly) software update is add "remember all" for the choices!

 

[grnamin]

If you go to https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/, enter your VIN, you will get a screen like this:

You can click on each box for an explanation.

 

[IslandFalconer]

This is definitely a software “glitch” and not a pleasant one. In the same way that the vehicle won’t remember ADAS settings. But what’s the most strange to me is that sometimes the ADAS settings will remain saved for multiple days. So I keep wondering what control unit is sometimes not being powered off. It’s almost as if a relay sometimes stays on and keeps the Radio module powered up and the memory is preserved. And than on some other day that relay is shut down, cuts power to the module and memory is forgotten. It’s frustrating because you get a glimmer of what you want this vehicle to do only to be thwarted randomly. I do hope this elusive software update that has been promised for the last many months resolves these memory issues with the User Interface.

 

[DefenderGuy]

If you go to https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/, enter your VIN, you will get a screen like this:
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You can click on each box for an explanation.

Thanks for the recommendation. Having had some bad experiences, I no longer sign up for fee based internet services so this site isn't going to be any use to me (although it probably will be helpful for many others).

What I don't understand is how a vehicle without a SIM card can share location data, at least in real time (especially since I don't own a smartphone that is paired with the vehicle). There's a big difference between the dealer having access to my driving history every six to twelve months (IF in fact that is what the collection of location data implies) and my location being constantly beamed up to the cloud in real time as is the case with most new cars these days. If you can explain to me your understanding of the nature of the location data capture and sharing in the Grenadier, I'd be grateful.

Thanks!

 

[Ovrland Bill]

If you go to https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/, enter your VIN, you will get a screen like this:
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You can click on each box for an explanation.

Based on the VIN entered on the URL address provided, what conclusions have you arrived at for the benefit of our Grenadier community? TIA, Bill

 

[grnamin]

Based on the VIN entered on the URL address provided, what conclusions have you arrived at for the benefit of our Grenadier community? TIA, Bill

I agree with the site's assessment...

 

[Ovrland Bill]

I agree with the site's assessment...
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Well, my smartphone is USUALLY of use in my favor, hoping same for my car!

 

[ryket]

I assume the info on that site is at best based on Ineos's privacy policy, not the actual capabilities of the car.

A "privacy" site that makes you enter your vehicle's VIN isn't exactly a trustworthy source.

 

[grnamin]

I assume the info on that site is at best based on Ineos's privacy policy, not the actual capabilities of the car.

A "privacy" site that makes you enter your vehicle's VIN isn't exactly a trustworthy source.

Here's what the "yes" boxes diagnosed.

It's entirely possible the site is trying to scare the user into paying for their service.

 

[Jeremy996]

Well, my smartphone is USUALLY of use in my favor, hoping same for my car!

It's probably not in terms of data leakage, but unless the authorities in the USA want to know what you are up to or you have upset someone in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran or Israel, you are probably fine.

(The USA has subcontracted surveillance of US citizens to the UK's GCHQ, so you might be being spied on by tea drinking Limeys).

I'd be most worried about the Russians and Israelis, extra-judicial murder does not seem to be taboo.

 

[DefenderGuy]

Thanks to all of you for your follow up. And thanks especially to grnamin for posting those screenshots from the website. Much obliged!

My takeaway is that most of the language describing the IA privacy policy that is contained in those screenshots is boiler plate; as such it doesn't really tell me much. Some of it clearly relates to things like online interaction with Ineos which I simply won't do. (Once I saw there were several pages of privacy disclosure on a new vehicle survey that I received via email a short while ago, I binned the survey!) Also, as ryket tellingly observed: "I assume the info on that site is at best based on Ineos's privacy policy, not the actual capabilities of the car."

I would be happier if I knew for sure that they wouldn't have access to my driving history when I take the car in for service but unless someone has a crystal ball, it may be necessary to assume the worst. But from my perspective that's a lot different from tracking me in real time.

The absence of a SIM card (and -- in the US market -- emergency call button) and no over the air software updates makes it really unlikely that any data flows to IA outside of a service visit. Which means compared to your typical new car, this vehicle is actually rather privacy friendly.

(I'm not too worried about the NSA or the GCHQ or the Mossad since they're a lot smarter -- especially the Mossad -- than I will ever be!)

All in all I do rather love my new beast and I'm looking forward to hitting some places in central Maine in a little less than two weeks.