will all the grenadier problems be addressed/fixed before rolling out in the USA

[BroncoBilly]

It's just a vehicle and in Canada an overpriced one at that. I'll order one and if by the time it shows up in Q1/24 they don't have the issues resolved to my satisfaction then so be it. The grenadier is a want not a need and as such it has my personal value/utility/reliability threshold to meet and if it doesn't then I'll just move on without it. I do feel for those early delivery folks that have to act as a test bed for a vehicle that wasn't delivered in the condition they expected and I appreciate their diligence in working through the issues and sharing them with the forum. Their efforts will allow me to make a better decision when the time comes.

 

[Krabby]

krabby,

if you're the one handling these requests and speaking with ineos in these Q&A sessions I think many would appreciate answers to my question and concerns.

I am not - @Stu_Barnes handles the questions. I agree in this sense - every answered question is a good thing - and the fact that IA (or any company) would engage with a forum is pretty fantastic (even if they have to side-step every now and again).

 

[Loc Nar]

Because the question posed is pretty broad, I think we are likely to receive a pretty broad answer understandably laden with corporate speak.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

Because the question posed is pretty broad, I think we are likely to receive a pretty broad answer understandably laden with corporate speak.

elaboration is up to them. in they elect to gloss over things knowing full well it isn't sufficient to many, isn't smart, or helpful to potential or current customers.

 

[bigleonski]

Did you ever hear the story about the tiger and the donkey…….

 

[Regalz]

Did you ever hear the story about the tiger and the donkey…….

Perfect!

 

[DDG]

I think it’s important for those of us on this forum to avoid going after each other. At the same time it’s very understandable why those emotions come up. In these cases you can have two sides arguing about issues with a vehicle that both sides are fans of. In other words; we’re all on the same side but understandably frustrated with how some things are going.
The fact that any of us are on this forum shows some degree of investment and interest (well beyond the average potential customer). Many of us have invested a lot of time and thought. Our emotions and our wallets take part too.
It is unfortunate that there have been as many issues as there seems to have been. None of us hoped for that. At the same time, we are a fairly seasoned bunch (based on polling around here) and we would probably agree to expect some build quality issues. Ineos has presented and marketed themselves as building something “fit for purpose” and, in the end, I’m sure they’re aiming for that.
No one is above criticism when their performance is less than a best effort. So I would suggest it’s completely reasonable to offer constructive criticisms and even to air frustrations, to the degree necessary for each person. Hopefully others can see that as constructive; or at least offer encouragement or explanation when they have that?
There is no US versus THEM here. It’s just a bunch of US. Some of us vent frustration or anxiety differently, and that’s ok.
I can give a lot of reasons as to why I believe things will be just fine with the grenadier. I can also understand why some quality and usability issues might freak out some of us. I’m pretty certain that everyone of us wants their new grenadier to be exactly what we’d hoped it would be.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

seems like there are many and new problems daily just reported on this site. i also believe that the scope of the issues are bigger and broader as well.

will there be a recall and will the rollout be pushed back in the USA?


will there be any addressing to :

-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

This section of the forum is intended for "Questions directly concerned with the purchasing, ownership and servicing"

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With the release of more information about the Grenadier purchasing process for North America, a line of communication has been established with the team at INEOS Automotive Americas to help answer Questions from forum members. Questions will be batched up and sent to off every Friday evening...

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Your post refers to a vehicle that is not even on sale in the North American market yet, has had no recalls to date in the worldwide market and in addition a delivery date has not been formally announced for the North American market.

However interesting the initial pos is, it is not pertinent to this portion of the forum.

So in closing this post is moved to :

Grenadier Station Wagon

The forum for the Grenadier station wagon

www.theineosforum.com

 

[Stu_Barnes]

@pioneerofthenile you're probably better posting this question using the INEOS portal directly to one of the markets where the vehicles are currently on sale.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

pat yourself on the back for that reply "thinking" that ineos already has a plan and is aware of things. not to mention how they handled things thus far. if none of my concerns are a problem for you, move along. I don't want your feedback on how you think ineos is as a company.

@pioneerofthenile This is a public forum and commentary is to be expected, yours and everybody else's. Please respect that fact.

Please re-familiarize yourself with

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Specifically

• Use respect and courtesy when you have a different opinion than other members. People often come to this forum with questions about the Grenadier, they are looking for advice on how to buy, the ordering process and technical specifics. I encourage everyone to participate in the various discussions this creates, there may be several correct answers or maybe no right answer -- only suggestions, and thats ok. Disagreeing with other members is perfectly acceptable as long as you state your opinion or mere conjecture and use a respectful tone in your writing, the experience will be better for everyone if we remember this. If you have an opinion and someone else has the polar opposite then please be tolerant, trying to force someone to see your point of view rarely works face to face and almost never does virtually. As stated earlier the forum language is primarily English, however this may be a second or even third language for some of the members and this must be borne in mind.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

@pioneerofthenile This is a public forum and commentary is to be expected, yours and everybody else's. Please respect that fact.

Please re-familiarize yourself with

Vital Info - Forum Guidelines (please read)

Translate here Hi my name is Stu and in August 2021 I set out to create an organized and friendly community dedicated to the INEOS Grenadier and its derivatives, known as theineosforum. I wanted this to be distinct of the usual platforms such as reddit and Facebook, free of advertisements and...

www.theineosforum.com

Specifically

• Use respect and courtesy when you have a different opinion than other members. People often come to this forum with questions about the Grenadier, they are looking for advice on how to buy, the ordering process and technical specifics. I encourage everyone to participate in the various discussions this creates, there may be several correct answers or maybe no right answer -- only suggestions, and thats ok. Disagreeing with other members is perfectly acceptable as long as you state your opinion or mere conjecture and use a respectful tone in your writing, the experience will be better for everyone if we remember this. If you have an opinion and someone else has the polar opposite then please be tolerant, trying to force someone to see your point of view rarely works face to face and almost never does virtually. As stated earlier the forum language is primarily English, however this may be a second or even third language for some of the members and this must be borne in mind.

the reason I posted it in the q&a is because I thought that space was for questions that members have. I wasn't interested in anyone else's take on something they do not know. just delete the whole thread if you won't send it up the chain

 

[evomind]

Did you ever hear the story about the tiger and the donkey…….

Actually no....lol

 

[AnD3rew]

seems like there are many and new problems daily just reported on this site. i also believe that the scope of the issues are bigger and broader as well.

will there be a recall and will the rollout be pushed back in the USA?


will there be any addressing to :

-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

OMG more whinging from this sadsack.

There is nothing wrong with the engine or transmission, stop catastrophising.

There has been 1 serious steering issue which is a worry but way too early to say there is anything other than an isolated problem.

There are electronic glitches, so far they seem more irritating than serious and likely all solvable there is apparently an update about to be rolled out, hold your fire and see how that goes.

There are some bits of QA stuff to sort out, but again all solvable and mostly to be expected for early adopters for a brand new brand and model.

You clearly aren’t the right audience for one.

 

[Max]

but its a French vehicle....

Just to set the records straight...it is only assembled/built or you could say just put together in France not created, designed, or manufactured...IMO it's not enough for it to be called a French vehicle...Audi has an assembly Factory in Mexico...that would be a long bow to call them a Mexican vehicle

 

[Tom D]

I think you guys across the pond are in pretty good shape. I suspect many teething issues will have been ironed out by the time it reaches you. It also seems like 90% of the niggles will be rectified with a software update which is good news. If I had the luxury of time and still had my 110 I’d be waiting too.
Another issue over here seems to be customer service, but you guys tend to do that much better than we do anyway so thats another plus point. It looks like they have built a really good vehicle and thats the main thing. All the reviews have been very positive on the things that matter to me. If the design was fundamentally wrong then there’s not much that could be done about it, but on that front they have nailed it.

 

[Max]

When ignorance screams, intelligence shuts up. Your peace and tranquility are worth more. Adapted from an unknown Author

 

[pioneerofthenile]

wtg stu.......good job of letting the minions turn this into a shit show.

 

[DCPU]

Here are the NTSB requirements to do a recall. Issues like build quality do NOT apply:

So speculation of speculation around a panel not fitting well or even an engine problem does not meet the NTSB standards.

Do you mean NHTSA?

I know you may be quoting from a headline text on their website, but have a look through the spreadsheet NHTSA issue regularly listing all the recalls. What you say is just not true.

JLR had a huge recall when the rear spoilers were coming off the RRS due to them being badly fitted.

Many engine issues snake back to being recalls ~ even coolant leaks leading to engine fires!

Just recently:

Bentley had a recall for "The rear seat entertainment screens, behind the front seats, may not be correctly attached and can come lose in case of an accident, leading to injuries."

Citroën, DS & Peugeot for "Water infiltration can cause corrosion in the battery housing, creating a risk of fire."

Peugeot for "The traction battery can overheat due to faulty monitoring software and catch fire."

JLR for "The coolant pump may malfunction and stop the coolant flow, causing the engine to overheat quickly and subsequently break an engine mounted plastic elbow in the cooling circuit. Coolant can leak onto the turbocharger's heat shield, creating a risk of fire in the engine compartment."

 

[AnD3rew]

wtg stu.......good job of letting the minions turn this into a shit show.

Mate, you don’t like them, you don’t want one why don’t you just f**k off out of here and stop wasting our time. The shit show was entirely curated by you.

 

[YellowLab]

Do you mean NHTSA?

I know you may be quoting from a headline text on their website, but have a look through the spreadsheet NHTSA issue regularly listing all the recalls. What you say is just not true.

JLR had a huge recall when the rear spoilers were coming off the RRS due to them being badly fitted.

Many engine issues snake back to being recalls ~ even coolant leaks leading to engine fires!

Just recently:

Bentley had a recall for "The rear seat entertainment screens, behind the front seats, may not be correctly attached and can come lose in case of an accident, leading to injuries."

Citroën, DS & Peugeot for "Water infiltration can cause corrosion in the battery housing, creating a risk of fire."

Peugeot for "The traction battery can overheat due to faulty monitoring software and catch fire."

JLR for "The coolant pump may malfunction and stop the coolant flow, causing the engine to overheat quickly and subsequently break an engine mounted plastic elbow in the cooling circuit. Coolant can leak onto the turbocharger's heat shield, creating a risk of fire in the engine compartment."

NTSB is the National Transportation Safety Board. In the case where there its an issue around safety - JLR and spoilers which could cause vehicle instability. BMW with coolant issues that may cause fire. Bentley rear screens which come loose and could become projectiles (hit passengers) - these are all SAFETY issues that trigger a recall when they are experienced in X% of vehicles delivered - they have a pretty wild algorithm....

However, a gap with interior panel fitting, opinions on quality of plastics used in interior panels, head liner having bad stitching, infotainment systems not working with Android phones, even warning lights coming on in error (when there is no safety related issue) that are software issues - those items do not trigger a recall unless the MFR is doing one voluntary as a good faith gesture.

If you have a differing view thats great - I have no skin in this - I do not work in any form or fashion of the auto industry. I was responding to a gentlemen complaining of build quality other issues and if there would ba a recall. Stu brought up that no cars have been delivered so nothing to see here yet.

To the original spirit, I believe (burn me at the stake for being a believer) that :

1) IG knows there are issues - and wants to fix
2) Issues happen even at Toyota at point of roll-out and those quality issues are addressed in production
3) IG knows there is a ton of hype and do not want to harm their reputation
4) Imagine Sir Jim being laughed at in his circles 'THAT guy with the failed defender project' does he want a failure?
6) I've placed my order - I have faith in Ineos and what they are trying to do
7) Dealers generally stink and will do anything to avoid paying for anything they can - yes there are some good ones if someone wants to respond with comments to that.
8) My opinion is worth about the price of the lint under the chair in your living room...maybe not even that much.

As a public forum - you will get all sorts of views - I take everything with a grain if salt....