will all the grenadier problems be addressed/fixed before rolling out in the USA

[pioneerofthenile]

seems like there are many and new problems daily just reported on this site. i also believe that the scope of the issues are bigger and broader as well.

will there be a recall and will the rollout be pushed back in the USA?


will there be any addressing to :

-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

 

[YellowLab]

seems like there are many and new problems daily just reported on this site. i also believe that the scope of the issues are bigger and broader as well.

will there be a recall and will the rollout be pushed back in the USA?


will there be any addressing to :

-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

I think we'll be in good shape for the US. I would bet INEOS is actively watching this site and seeing the issues (they are a private company) and are seeing the feedback. I'm seeing a few issues here on basic workmanship which I would bet will be addressed but do wish this was being built in Germany. Hopefully other areas going before ours means the issues over the next couple months get addressed. I placed my order today - couple things are making me hesitant. First is the cost - my vehicle build before taxes is sitting at $95K - and there are many other vehicles sitting in the $90-$140 range I do like as well. I've had a Cayenne Turbo before that was exceptional - but never something I'd take off road which is the appeal for the IG. - so we'll see where things shake out for dealers over the next few months. I'm 50 miles from LA - and if the only place for service is an hour or more away that will be a deal killer for me. We'll have to wait and see....

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I think we'll be in good shape for the US. I would bet INEOS is actively watching this site and seeing the issues (they are a private company) and are seeing the feedback. I'm seeing a few issues here on basic workmanship which I would bet will be addressed but do wish this was being built in Germany. Hopefully other areas going before ours means the issues over the next couple months get addressed. I placed my order today - couple things are making me hesitant. First is the cost - my vehicle build before taxes is sitting at $95K - and there are many other vehicles sitting in the $90-$140 range I do like as well. I've had a Cayenne Turbo before that was exceptional - but never something I'd take off road which is the appeal for the IG. - so we'll see where things shake out for dealers over the next few months. I'm 50 miles from LA - and if the only place for service is an hour or more away that will be a deal killer for me. We'll have to wait and see....

no offense, yellow. but this isn't a Q&A with board members. and just because you think "we'll be in good shape for the us" doesn't mean that we are. ineos needs to thoroughly answer the myriad of problems people have faced thus far.

I get the excitement and thrill that people get from the vehicle, but I'm not alluding to that. I want answers from them. not the minimization of them as seen through many posters because of the elation of something new and something they want and love.

 

[YellowLab]

no offense, yellow. but this isn't a Q&A with board members. and just because you think "we'll be in good shape for the us" doesn't mean that we are. ineos needs to thoroughly answer the myriad of problems people have faced thus far.

I get the excitement and thrill that people get from the vehicle, but I'm not alluding to that. I want answers from them. not the minimization of them as seen through many posters because of the elation of something new and something they want and love.

Sorry you have such keen insight to the company and think anyone who projects otherwise is a heretic. Do you REALLY think INEOS which is a self made company seeks pleasure in screwing people who buy its vehicle? Do you think they will just ignore the issues so it will damage their brand and leave all these buyers with a bad view of the company? How many product launches by any company have been flawless? Do you think companies see problems and then put corrective actions in place to address? Frankly unless you are an owner you are merely a pedestrian and they do not owe you anything. Please send an email to Sir Jim so he can thoroughly answer you directly since you 'want answers from them.' This is a board where most are giving their viewpoints and opinions/projections - if you want more specifics from INEOS - this is not the place for them to respond.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

Sorry you have such keen insight to the company and think anyone who projects otherwise is a heretic. Do you REALLY think INEOS which is a self made company seeks pleasure in screwing people who buy its vehicle? Do you think they will just ignore the issues so it will damage their brand and leave all these buyers with a bad view of the company? Please send an email to Sir Jim with your contrarian views so he can thoroughly answer you directly since you 'want answers from them.'

pat yourself on the back for that reply "thinking" that ineos already has a plan and is aware of things. not to mention how they handled things thus far. if none of my concerns are a problem for you, move along. I don't want your feedback on how you think ineos is as a company.

 

[YellowLab]

Whatever - you are right - they are just ignoring everything in hopes that you will order one just so they can screw you - Jim will put another notch on his Defender 90 with your name on it.

 

[Tazzieman]

seems like there are many and new problems daily just reported on this site. i also believe that the scope of the issues are bigger and broader as well.

will there be a recall and will the rollout be pushed back in the USA?


will there be any addressing to :

-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

I reckon they are reinforcing their legal department because , hey you guys love to SUE , SUE and SUE! And then SUE some more!
It's part of the culture, sad though that is.

 

[YellowLab]

I reckon they are reinforcing their legal department because , hey you guys love to SUE , SUE and SUE! And then SUE some more!
It's part of the culture, sad though that is.

That might also be the reason they waived the down payment issues - but who knows. INEOS wants to be in this for the long term as this is a 'life style' brand with larger commercial implications (fleet vehicles etc). It will take some time to get the gremlins out; but its a French vehicle....

 

[Tazzieman]

That might also be the reason they waived the down payment issues - but who knows. INEOS wants to be in this for the long term as this is a 'life style' brand with larger commercial implications (fleet vehicles etc). It will take some time to get the gremlins out; but its a French vehicle....

Ss my wife's most excellent Tesla smashing Volvo XC40 Recharge is "Chinese" eh?
And according to Trump, everything is China's fault
But let's keep politics and dotards off this forum.
I can't wait to get my Grenadier is a month or 2

 

[YellowLab]

Ss my wife's most excellent Tesla smashing Volvo XC40 Recharge is "Chinese" eh?
And according to Trump, everything is China's fault
But let's keep politics and dotards off this forum.
I can't wait to get my Grenadier is a month or 2

I was merely referring to the fact that French vehicles have had issues - do not think I'm out of line to say Renault was not exactly the best car in the world. INEOS will figure these issues out - I would not have ordered one if I felt otherwise.

 

[Tazzieman]

All vehicles (especially computer dependant ones) have issues , and in recent years , Toyotas ( the Immaculate Virgins of Reliability) have been deflowered by class actions and recalls.
Everything will be fine, and the strong will survive.

 

[Krabby]

I'm throwing this out there with my Krabby hat on (and not my moderator one) - Snarkiness isn't becoming and that's why this forum is great - there's not much of that here. Cordial disagreement and discourse is perfectly acceptable but nothing beyond that.

 

[Krabby]

I reckon they are reinforcing their legal department because , hey you guys love to SUE , SUE and SUE! And then SUE some more!
It's part of the culture, sad though that is.

 

[Tazzieman]

I have no dog in the fight

 

[Tazzieman]

Cordial disagreement and discourse is perfectly acceptable but nothing beyond that.

Polite intercourse is of course nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[Msnow22]

I build custom machinery for a living, the task they took on is incredibly challenging especially with the time frame. I dont think people on the internet give them enough credit for delivering on the time frame.
While I don’t think they are out to screw anyone I do think they will have to prioritize focus. Often times when prioritizing what we say all the the time is what can we sub optimize.

My bet is they do not have enough time to get even 50% of these issues fixed before the trucks get on a ship to go to the US. I imagine they will sub-optimize all first year deliveries to get next year deliveries better. My gut is they have some fundamental design flaws that they just can not fix with the first iteration, and I am not referring to the bump by the drivers seat I am talking about a sensor that is buried somewhere that you would have to remove the engine to get to or a type of wire that is running through the vehicle that should have been a different type.

When you listen to the lead engineer on the new Tacoma talk about starting that car 5 years ago think about that. That is from the largest, and in many ways best, car manufacturer in the world. 5 years of development. Ineos did the same thing with no experience. Remarkable achievement but you just cant make up the experience of building cars for 75 years and get it all right in 5 years, I don’t care who your partners are.

I think this is what gives me pause, do I want to deal with some of the things that are problematic to get in on what I think is an incredible vehicle? The most difficult thing they could do is stop production and say we put 4K of these things in the field we have some issues we are not going to send more to new market until we fix the existing ones and get our production right. I dont think they will do that, it takes way too much balls to admit you have some issues and correct mid stream. I do wish they would though because it would really show their character.

I haven’t decided if I am going to order or not but I want to, I want to support a company that takes a risk and goes against the grain. But I also dont want to be stuck with something that is going to have sensors going off for the rest of its life, or steering issues, or you name it. Hard decision for everyone involved but if you are expecting these things to come perfect off the boat in the US I think you are fooling yourself, I imagine that is still 3-5 years away.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

I build custom machinery for a living, the task they took on is incredibly challenging especially with the time frame. I dont think people on the internet give them enough credit for delivering on the time frame.
While I don’t think they are out to screw anyone I do think they will have to prioritize focus. Often times when prioritizing what we say all the the time is what can we sub optimize.

My bet is they do not have enough time to get even 50% of these issues fixed before the trucks get on a ship to go to the US. I imagine they will sub-optimize all first year deliveries to get next year deliveries better. My gut is they have some fundamental design flaws that they just can not fix with the first iteration, and I am not referring to the bump by the drivers seat I am talking about a sensor that is buried somewhere that you would have to remove the engine to get to or a type of wire that is running through the vehicle that should have been a different type.

When you listen to the lead engineer on the new Tacoma talk about starting that car 5 years ago think about that. That is from the largest, and in many ways best, car manufacturer in the world. 5 years of development. Ineos did the same thing with no experience. Remarkable achievement but you just cant make up the experience of building cars for 75 years and get it all right in 5 years, I don’t care who your partners are.

I think this is what gives me pause, do I want to deal with some of the things that are problematic to get in on what I think is an incredible vehicle? The most difficult thing they could do is stop production and say we put 4K of these things in the field we have some issues we are not going to send more to new market until we fix the existing ones and get our production right. I dont think they will do that, it takes way too much balls to admit you have some issues and correct mid stream. I do wish they would though because it would really show their character.

I haven’t decided if I am going to order or not but I want to, I want to support a company that takes a risk and goes against the grain. But I also dont want to be stuck with something that is going to have sensors going off for the rest of its life, or steering issues, or you name it. Hard decision for everyone involved but if you are expecting these things to come perfect off the boat in the US I think you are fooling yourself, I imagine that is still 3-5 years away.

I don't know what to expect in any forms of any answer they might provide. they could give a boilerplate reply to any/all of these issues, which may or may not mean a damn thing. but it sure as hell beats guessing or trying to figure out things by ourselves.

it would be particular scummy if they would continue to produce problematic vehicles knowing fully well they need to change something. they can also hide behind doing this and continue forward with excuses and minimizations of things as well. again, I'm answering this on your assumption of things. which is just speculation.

 

[anand]

You didn't ask a directly answerable question....

"Will there be a recall" - For what?

will there be any addressing to :
-transmission,
-engine,
-steering
-electronics
- shoddy builds/QA

Maybe I need an afternoon coffee, but this isn't a completed thought/question. Are you asking if there will be recalls specifically for the transmission, engine, steering, electronics, and "shoddy builds"?

What problems exist that a recall would/could be necessitated for those things?

 

[pioneerofthenile]

krabby,

if you're the one handling these requests and speaking with ineos in these Q&A sessions I think many would appreciate answers to my question and concerns.

 

[YellowLab]

Here are the NTSB requirements to do a recall. Issues like build quality do NOT apply:

When Is a Recall Necessary?
› When a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment (including tires) does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard .
› When there is a safety-related defect in the vehicle or equipment .
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance requirements for those parts of the vehicle that most affect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting, etc .) or that protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash (air bags, seat belts, car seats and booster seats, energy absorbing steering columns, motorcycle helmets, etc .) . These Federal Standards are applicable to all vehicles and vehicle-related equipment manufactured or imported for sale in the United States (including U .S . territories) and certified for use on public roads and highways .

So speculation of speculation around a panel not fitting well or even an engine problem does not meet the NTSB standards. Will it prevent others from buying the vehicle - sure - but build quality is not an item that the NTSB cares about. Lemon laws are state by state issues that are another item all together - but again, even with those laws a piece of trim not fitting well is not something that is covered.