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Trump tariff. Ineos Automotive is dead right?

You're not taking crazy pills. I'm sure MB was giving this the side ey during development, but when they took a ride in this rig, they got out feeling relieved. Now, I can see where many Gwagon customers have enough cash to buy this in addition to dick around with, but not as a side by side either or. I've seen the new Gwagon folks mocking this as a wannabe, and it only is, if people actually wannabe'lieve it's the same market.
I think there are probably a lot of G Wagen folks do now know a lot about them. Military, Built in the 70's, how to spell it, how to pronounce it. Heck there are new Defender owners and other Land Rover owners for that matter have similar issues with the real Defender. lol
 
I am also the type of person that thinks the NAS 90's (not the new ones), Hummer (H1) were very comfortable vehicles to drive.
They are. I have a '93 M998 and it's a freaking blast to drive. And I drove the hell out of my D90 for 10-12 years. Loved it. Unimog's, maybe not so much. I love them but they are not "comfortable" vehicles in relative terms. And honestly my G wagon is a bit nicer to drive than the Grenadier, but the Grenadier is still a solid and fun truck.
 
I’m getting the impression that Zim and Mcdoogs regret their purchase. That’s very unfortunate, as a lot of cash to spend and not enjoy the ownership.
Not at all. I like the truck. The steering isn't the biggest issue I have, its the downshifting is wonkey. I like things, I just don't have emotional attachments to things, and lack cognitive dissonance, so if something isn't how I wanted, I address it without regret. I'm the guy that walks into your office and says "congratulations you just fired yourself". As I've said elsewhere when asked, I believe most buyers will get used to the steering if they stick it out. But like Dokatd wrote, the company line that the steering is like this for offroading, is gaslighting. I had a defender 110nas. And multiple old landcruisers, gwagons, ford f trucks back to the 60's farm truck that was so over powered, you needed only a finger and felt nothing at all, yet, it returned to center like lightening.
 
They are. I have a '93 M998 and it's a freaking blast to drive. And I drove the hell out of my D90 for 10-12 years. Loved it. Unimog's, maybe not so much. I love them but they are not "comfortable" vehicles in relative terms. And honestly my G wagon is a bit nicer to drive than the Grenadier, but the Grenadier is still a solid and fun truck.
Geared hubs making the truck rock back and forth at a traffic light was a great side effect feeling also. lol. The one "problem" I ever had was just after wheeling I didn't inflate my tires yet. So at about 15-20 psi and 25+ mph I drove over a bridge and the truck was wandering and mushy all over the road.
 
I think there are probably a lot of G Wagen folks do now know a lot about them. Military, Built in the 70's, how to spell it, how to pronounce it. Heck there are new Defender owners and other Land Rover owners for that matter have similar issues with the real Defender. lol
Just keep in mind, post '19 G's (463) are not the same car as a military G. If I could have purchased a brand new 461, yinz would be suffering with me. Blame MB. Write them a letter.
 
I’m getting the impression that Zim and Mcdoogs regret their purchase. That’s very unfortunate, as a lot of cash to spend and not enjoy the ownership.
People disagreeing with you get ya down or something? I dont think people in any meaningful scale cross shop the Grenadier with the new G-class. It doesn’t make sense, they are extremely different vehicles in completely different market segments.

I like my grenadier, but i’m not biased enough to convince myself that its going to steal significant sales from Mercedes. And that’s why we even started talking about the G in the first place, folks started talking about how the G would get tariffed the same as the Grenadier and how they are directly competing so tariffs are no big deal (paraphrasing).
 
I am definitely in the minority but I have wanted a G-Wagen for a very long time. Still kind of do BUT not as much as I used to. Too common. lol I also knew that they existed in the US long before MBUSA decides to sell them through their dealer network and not just 1 company from Santa Fe, NM.
I'm with you. New G-Wagens are dime a dozen in this town, which is wild considering what they cost. But they also depreciate quickly. They're comfortable, a compact size, and still mechanically amazing. It's not clear to me their purpose or best use, except as a conspicuous consumption item. Am I envious because they cost approximately twice a Grenadier in a nice state of trim? Maybe a bit envious. Lol.

Yeah those late 1980s models (W460?) are rare here but they're around and often well maintained and accessorized for real 4x4 action. Those models are still headturners for me.
 
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