Roof wiring for Baja s2

[Overland Hunter]

Looking for some help regarding installing roof lights. I've purchased a pair of Baja s2 to mount. I've attempted to install them today but struggled with the connection being a little loose. I think the connections on my rig are slightly bigger (barrel for wire) than the one I have with my deutch connection kit I got online? Also using
supplied opposite end doesn't seem to lock the wires in as well as the kit I've used in the past for interior connections in the footwell. Fairly new to all this. Am I wrong in thinking there are different size barrels ? If so does anyone know the size Ineos uses. Hopefully this made sense
Thanks in advance

 

[TheDocAUS]

Looking for some help regarding installing roof lights. I've purchased a pair of Baja s2 to mount. I've attempted to install them today but struggled with the connection being a little loose. I think the connections on my rig are slightly bigger (barrel for wire) than the one I have with my deutch connection kit I got online? Also using
supplied opposite end doesn't seem to lock the wires in as well as the kit I've used in the past for interior connections in the footwell. Fairly new to all this. Am I wrong in thinking there are different size barrels ? If so does anyone know the size Ineos uses. Hopefully this made sense
Thanks in advance

You need to post more information, as I am not sure I follow. Maybe post some pictures.

However, if you are trying to connect to the INEOS rooftop power outlets, they use Deutsch DTP plugs, so you must wire DTP plugs to the Baja light end. If you have Deutsch DT plugs they will not work.

Yes DTP verse DT plug, but they are different plugs. Rooftop power outlet circuits are rated at 25 amps and you should use DTP plugs, as DT plugs are only rated to 13 amps.

 

[QRgren]

This is what I used for my S2s.​

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JRready ST6138 DTP 2 Pin Connector Kit 12 Guage 14 Guage Waterproof Connector with Size 12 Solid Contact 12-14 AWG, 2 Sets​

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K4GXRCN?tag=globalgrena0b-20

Crimping tool

Amazon.com

 

[TheDocAUS]

PLUG COMPATIBILITY
That would mean a genuine Deutsch DTP plug (INEOS side) and a third party brand plug on the other, which can explain why they are a bit loose. I have seen this with genuine Anderson plugs verse third party brands.

That style of crimper normally works well.

You could change the rooftop plug to your third party brand and see if that fixes the problem.

LOCK IN PINS/SOCKETS
The other cause maybe the pins and sockets are not locked correctly in the plugs. The Wurth video, below, talks about locking the pins/sockets into place. Here is a cross section of the DT style plug showing what is going on (image shows a crimped open style socket). If the pins/sockets are not locked in, the plugs do not work properly.

View: https://youtu.be/GQs7EPzDOak

MORE INFORMATION:
This thread here has lots of information on Deutsch plugs, including the different types, the various accessories for the plugs, crimping tools, videos, pictures, pin/socket removal from the Deutsch plug and links to suppliers in various countries. A summary is in the first post on the thread. Plus there are other useful posts in the thread, for example:

 

[Overland Hunter]

PLUG COMPATIBILITY
That would mean a genuine Deutsch DTP plug (INEOS side) and a third party brand plug on the other, which can explain why they are a bit loose. I have seen this with genuine Anderson plugs verse third party brands.

That style of crimper normally works well.

You could change the rooftop plug to your third party brand and see if that fixes the problem.

LOCK IN PINS/SOCKETS
The other cause maybe the pins and sockets are not locked correctly in the plugs. The Wurth video, below, talks about locking the pins/sockets into place. Here is a cross section of the DT style plug showing what is going on (image shows a crimped open style socket). If the pins/sockets are not locked in, the plugs do not work properly.

View: https://youtu.be/GQs7EPzDOak

Thanks, really appreciate it! I'm a visual person and this helped

 

[Overland Hunter]

This is what I used for my S2s.​

​

JRready ST6138 DTP 2 Pin Connector Kit 12 Guage 14 Guage Waterproof Connector with Size 12 Solid Contact 12-14 AWG, 2 Sets​

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K4GXRCN?tag=globalgrena0b-20

Crimping tool

Amazon.com

Thanks, placed an order for these. I think that was my issue

 

[HogRider]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09DYKXGPF/?tag=globalgrena0b-20

I bought these and it worked. I think it was a link from someone else on the forum.

 

[Austin-TX-Grenadier]

This is what I used for my S2s.​

​

JRready ST6138 DTP 2 Pin Connector Kit 12 Guage 14 Guage Waterproof Connector with Size 12 Solid Contact 12-14 AWG, 2 Sets​

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K4GXRCN?tag=globalgrena0b-20

Crimping tool

Amazon.com

QRgren, I just ordered these as well for my 4 bd S2Pros. Can you recommend a good video that shows the overall process of converting the S2's plugs to DTP? Just wondering if I need to cut any wires on the S2.

 

[Disco Dave]

PLUG COMPATIBILITY
That would mean a genuine Deutsch DTP plug (INEOS side) and a third party brand plug on the other, which can explain why they are a bit loose. I have seen this with genuine Anderson plugs verse third party brands.

That style of crimper normally works well.

You could change the rooftop plug to your third party brand and see if that fixes the problem.

LOCK IN PINS/SOCKETS
The other cause maybe the pins and sockets are not locked correctly in the plugs. The Wurth video, below, talks about locking the pins/sockets into place. Here is a cross section of the DT style plug showing what is going on (image shows a crimped open style socket). If the pins/sockets are not locked in, the plugs do not work properly.

View: https://youtu.be/GQs7EPzDOak

MORE INFORMATION:
This thread here has lots of information on Deutsch plugs, including the different types, the various accessories for the plugs, crimping tools, videos, pictures, pin/socket removal from the Deutsch plug and links to suppliers in various countries. A summary is in the first post on the thread. Plus there are other useful posts in the thread, for example:

Am I missing something? Isn’t the red positive, or did I wire mine up back to front?

 

[TheDocAUS]

Am I missing something? Isn’t the red positive, or did I wire mine up back to front?

I was just making sure it was DTP to DTP, not DTP to DT plugs.

 

[QRgren]

QRgren, I just ordered these as well for my 4 bd S2Pros. Can you recommend a good video that shows the overall process of converting the S2's plugs to DTP? Just wondering if I need to cut any wires on the S2.

I did not cut the wires on the S2. I carefully disassembled the DT connector and was left with exposed wire to use for the DTP plug.

 

[QRgren]

I did not cut the wires on the S2. I carefully disassembled the DT connector and was left with exposed wire to use for the DTP plug.

There isn’t a specific video for S2s. I used this if you need a reference.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYOZLAmVqRw

 

[grnamin]

I've been using these:

Deutsch DTP-Series 2 Male Way Plug Kit - Agile Offroad

Deutsch DTP-Series 2 Way Male Plug Kit. This kit includes the parts needed to add electric accessories to your Grenadier using the OEM electrical outlets.

agileoffroad.com

Deutsch DTP-Series 2 Way Plug Kit - Agile Offroad

Deutsch DTP-Series 2 Way Female Plug Kit. This kit includes the parts needed to add custom accessories to your Grenadier using the OEM electrical outlets.

agileoffroad.com

Deutsch Closed Barrel Crimp Tool - Agile Offroad

Deutsch Closed Barrel Crimp Tool by Agile Offroad. The Deutsch crimp tool is designed to provide precise and consistent crimps every time.

agileoffroad.com

 

[Austin-TX-Grenadier]

There isn’t a specific video for S2s. I used this if you need a reference.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYOZLAmVqRw

Thanks, I’ll try this when I get everything from Amazon.

 

[Austin-TX-Grenadier]

I did not cut the wires on the S2. I carefully disassembled the DT connector and was left with exposed wire to use for the DTP plug.

QRgren: I want to make sure I don’t mess up these S2’s. Did you pull from the back to disassemble or somehow cut the plastic all together around the wires?

 

[QRgren]

I did not cut any plastic. Pic shows the parts you are dealing with. I used a small pry tool to work out the orange pieces.

Edit: push from the inside where you see the prongs - small flat head
Edit 2: you may also need to depress the wings on the metal connectors with needle nose pliers and then push

 

[Austin-TX-Grenadier]

I did not cut any plastic. Pic shows the parts you are dealing with. I used a small pry tool to work out the orange pieces.

Edit: push from the inside where you see the prongs - small flat head
Edit 2: you may also need to depress the wings on the metal connectors with needle nose pliers and then push
View attachment 7871533

Thanks. I’ll try that.

 

[Austin-TX-Grenadier]

I took apart the S2's and just waiting on the DTP Connector Kit from Amazon. Thinking I need to ensure the existing metal pins are the correct size for the DTP "Male" that will ultimately go into the roof outlet. When you took apart your S2's did you get rid of the existing metal pins?

 

[grnamin]

I took apart the S2's and just waiting on the DTP Connector Kit from Amazon. Thinking I need to ensure the existing metal pins are the correct size for the DTP "Male" that will ultimately go into the roof outlet. When you took apart your S2's did you get rid of the existing metal pins?

The ones from Agile are the right size.

 

[QRgren]

I took apart the S2's and just waiting on the DTP Connector Kit from Amazon. Thinking I need to ensure the existing metal pins are the correct size for the DTP "Male" that will ultimately go into the roof outlet. When you took apart your S2's did you get rid of the existing metal pins?

You need to remove those connectors as they will not work. I used needle nose pliers and pulled them off. See my pic above where the individual components were removed.