I'll get one next time! Funnily enough I wasn't quick to get the camera out as was losing day light! 2nd time they've got bogged in as many months... "it looked dry enough"
I'll get one next time! Funnily enough I wasn't quick to get the camera out as was losing day light! 2nd time they've got bogged in as many months... "it looked dry enough"
A comparison would be almost like chalk and cheese in my opinion...if you have to personally make a comparison about vehicles of today, do it in ten to twenty years time...happy motoring
I agree with some of what you say, but you don’t mention the massive elephant in the room: reliability. I had 3 defender 110’s that were all good, pretty reliable, I took all of them past 150k miles. But the disco3 we had was a liability, one of the nicest cars to drive that I have owned but just too unreliable, and the repair bills for a disco seem to start at £1k and go up from there. I have a lot of friends who drive JLR products, they have all had issues, no one wants to keep one past the warranty period. One mate has a disco 4 that leaks heavily in the rain, like pouring in all over the dash. I have another friend who has just got a new defender SWB commercial, the space in the back is way smaller than you’d think, the internal floor is really high, it has way less space than a small van. He says its nice to drive but so it should be, it was £70k!
Agreed. But even worse, they dropped the 4.0 I6 for the 3.8 V6 - a real pig. I owned one for ten years and - loaded with gear and two people - we couldn't keep up with traffic going up the big mountain passes. The 3.6 replaced the 3.8 and in its current iteration (2108-present) the 3.6 can be fun to drive - if you live at sea level. Its definitely lacking in low-end torque for its application (an off-road vehicle), but low-range is so low in the Rubicon it makes up for the lack of engine torque. But in high range, the 3.6 just isn't a Jeep or truck engine. At elevation, that becomes even more pronounced. Here's hoping that the new turbo-charged 3.0 I6 makes its way into the Wrangler and Gladiator!
I had a freelander 2 too, that was a great car, sold it to get the disco as we wanted 7 seats.. I liked the freelander2 a lot. I think as a replacement for a freelander or disco the new defender would be great. But as a replacement for the old defender its a no from me. I had planned to wait for the new defender and get one as soon as it came out, but as soon as I saw the specs and the vehicle I knew it wasn’t for me. One of the other things about the old defender was that it could wear a lot of battle scars and still hold its value like few other cars can. I suspect the Grenadier will be similar, in 10 years time there will probably be a grenadier floor price that will be more related to mileage than bodywork condition, another plus if thats the case.
I owned an early model JL Wrangler Rubicon and it drove like a ride on mower. Fine if you're doing most of your road miles on broad highways butI share Ever_Pragmatic and bigleonski's interest in wanting to know how the Grenadier handles on-road. And I don't think it makes sense to tell someone who wants to know how it drives on-road to "buy a Porsche". That notion is based on a false dichotomy - that there are two types of vehicles in the world: ones that are good off-road but crap on the highway, and sports cars. If you are okay spending $70-80,000 for an off-road vehicle that is terrible on-road, well, that's you. I think most people spending that kind of money expect the Grenadier to be "relatively good" on the road. What does "relatively good" mean? To me - at a minimum - it means better acceleration and handling than a 3.6 liter Jeep Wrangler (which is a relevant comparison given that both are solid axle-vehicles).
I don't expect the Grenadier to handle as precisely as an SUV with independent front suspension, but I also won't tolerate spending this kind of money for one that wanders all over the highway, and that bump-steers. I'm not suggesting that the Grenadier will wander on the highway - rather, I'm saying that a person is justified in wanting to know whether it does or does not.
I don't expect the Grenadier to accelerate like a sport SUV - because I'm not buying a sport SUV - but I also won't spend my money on a vehicle that can't perform on the roads that I drive with - what to me - is adequate power. I'm not suggesting the Grenadier lacks adequate power - rather, I'm saying that a person is justified in wanting to know whether it does or does not.
Please folks - stop telling us to "Buy a Porsche" if we want to know how it drives on road - just accept that not everyone shares your low expectations
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nerve wracking on narrow and twisty British country roads where the speed limit is still 60mph and every following driver expects you to keep up with modern traffic in your shiny new Jeep! It was the most miserable 18 months of 4x4 ownership I've ever experienced, having a vehicle that looked sensational but tried to kill you the instant your concentration wavered. After a long journey I used to get out of the beast looking ten years older 
We had an Imp when I was a kid, somebody signed it over to my dad when they couldn't pay their bill in our pub. Cheap car or expensive bill I'm not sure. That mighty beast died when a horse got spooked and kicked in the rear window and battered a load of panels, oh the joys of being raised in rural South Wales. I love my LR4 but bits just keep failing, and I keep replacing, the next owner will get a sorted out LR4 with the virtually impossible to get prospeed rack and ladder (at least in North America)...
Yes, there's a lot to be said for that, it didn't seem to matter if the old Defender was a bit lumpy in places. I am sick and fed up of tyre kickers coming to look at the five or six year old car you may be selling and expecting something in showroom condition. Having said that, the Grenadier body work is pretty shiny. Will it be as roughty tufty as the old defender? I hope so.
I don't see any difference between the two cars, the only f*cking "undifference": I will never buy any of those. Old Defender, OK, elder Toyota Landcruisers OK, Mitsubishi Pajero or Montero OK, Suzuki Jimny OK, Grenadier OK
I don't see any difference between the two cars, the only f*cking "undifference": I will never buy any of those. Old Defender, OK, elder Toyota Landcruisers OK, Mitsubishi Pajero or Montero OK, Suzuki Jimny OK, Grenadier OK
