New owner with concerns

[Dlucky]

I’ve had my truck since May 2024, it spent 6 months at the dealership for some of the same lights. Dealer says it’s normal.

Dealer says everything is “normal”…..

 

[Skydance]

Interesting about the power steering cap weeping. Just noticed that on mine. 20,000 miles and issue free otherwise

They all weep from new. But eventually it’s gets less and less once all the air has disappeared. The steering becomes lighter and the whine noise gets quieter too.

 

[Skydance]

ADAS issues, fake warnings and lights can be caused by incorrect wheel alignment which is linked to the steering angle sensor. Steering angle sensor needs to be reset after wheel alignment.

Also a possibility if you have had a new windscreen, bigger tyres or a lift may need an ADAS recalibration. I learnt this from my Suzuki Jimny when I had it lifted and a new windscreen.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

They come and go at very random times. Those were when I was in the Trans Canada, on a nice sunny day. They will come on for 2-3-4 days than won’t see them again for a week, than randomly will re appear. Dealer line “we couldn’t reproduce the issue” and ADAS system lights coming on and off is “normal”

And when they come back on - do they tend to stay on for a long time (like greater than 30 min), or do they appear and then disappear a few minutes later? I have the latter situation - but I realize now what’s going on.

 

[Eric]

Interesting about the power steering cap weeping. Just noticed that on mine. 20,000 miles and issue free otherwise

And mine.

 

[RYAustralia]

Morning (here in Texas)!

My wife and I purchased an Ineos roughly a few weeks ago and it is my wife's daily driver. She wanted something unique and she got just that! A little back story - I'm not a mechanic but I know my way around an engine bay and service/maintain my own personal vehicle (W213 MB E63S) with plans to service the Ineos as well (interested in learning about the B58 platform!!!). Call me an armchair mechanic who knows enough to be dangerous underneath a vehicle. I'm not claiming to know all!

This is where our vehicle honeymoon has ended and I'm here to see if I'm crazy or if the car is what I think it is (electrical nightmare). The Ineos has roughly 9000 miles on it when purchasing FYI. Almost every time I drive it - we are privy to a lightshow in the "Telltale cluster". AEB warning, ADAS warning, LDW warning, etc. This happens when just starting the vehicle and leaving the garage to cruising down the highway at 70 mph when driving for 50+ miles. What is concerning is that more and more things are lighting up the more we drive it. Engine oil level low light yesterday after driving for about 30 miles. It was on for another 40 miles and then disappeared for the last 10 miles home. Mind you this was fresh off servicing 4 days prior with fluid levels being verified by a tech at the dealer. (LOL at the fact that owners can't reset their service interval warning - that is sad) Alongside that - there were ADAS lights intermittently on and off the whole trip. Lane departure warnings when clearly in the middle of the lane. Speed limit signs showing as 80 MPH when in a 40 MPH zone, etc. No disabling of any systems manually, this is all happening on it's own.

I am simply wondering if this is a regular thing or am I paranoid? I've owned 20+ vehicles in my lifetime and not a one has intermittently flashed gauge cluster lights. Sure when something is wrong it would show but it would not disappear/appear randomly. The light would actually reflect a real issue that was corrected and the light would go away. I understand these vehicles are brand spanking new and there might be software issues/1st gen issues/etc. Curious and appreciative of your comments/thoughts.

Thank you and I want to like this car so badly - IT IS REALLY COOL!!!

Hey there.
I feel terrible about your experience. Mine is very different. I’ve had a couple of minor things but no different from the experience with any other brand new car including various BMW’s over the last 30+ years. Worst one was a $200,000 top of the line BMW that decided to sequentially fail every electrical system whilst driving in town - limp mode to a safe place to leave it on a Sunday - BMW took 3 weeks to discover the issue was with the Canbus itself with a gate failure that then took another 3 weeks to get from Germany before I got my new car back. 6 weeks to fix a prestige brand was pretty frustrating.

My experience of my own grenadier (diesel trialmaster) other than going back for leaking door seal and dripping condensation from A/C pipes in the footwell has been pretty flawless. I also drove one in Namibia for 3,000km and that one too was pretty close to fault free. I’ve also had loan Ineos vehicles from dealer during servicing or when I’ve had modifications or software updates etc and all of those too have driven perfectly.

My local agent is the main BMW dealer in town and their head mechanic is ex Land Rover. So a very experienced crew.

I personally think like others have mentioned in this forum that a lot of the Ineos “problems” are actually local agent inexperience problems or insufficient pre sales setup before delivery problems. That’s not to say it is fault free or that Ineos couldn’t do better - especially eith the aftersale service and parts supply side of things - but the best advice in this forum I saw was to suggest that you go to a different service agent and see if they can do better. Ultimately it might be that the car is an unlucky lemon but my gut feeling having experience of driving at least 5 of these without major issue is that it is more likely a service agent problem than a fundamental car problem.

 

[bigleonski]

Seriously some of these dealers need sacking.
These issues are NOT normal.

 

[Zimm]

When talking to a dealer, insist on using language appropriately. It may irritate them, but correct them.

Normal = normal operation as designed and intended.

Common = many or all of them do it, but if it’s not as intended or designed, all common means, is they have plenty of cars to fix, or recall, not that they get to ignore it.

Words mean what they say they mean, don’t let grifters gaslight you by conflating definitions.

 

[IslandFalconer]

And when they come back on - do they tend to stay on for a long time (like greater than 30 min), or do they appear and then disappear a few minutes later? I have the latter situation - but I realize now what’s going on.

When they come on they usually stay on for 24/48 hours. Or sometimes stop after 1/2 hour. It’s very random.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

When they come on they usually stay on for 24/48 hours. Or sometimes stop after 1/2 hour. It’s very random.

Yeah that surprises me - I get it very temporarily - just ADAS figuring out where the heck it is. So usually 15 seconds to 5 minutes - if I’m really out in the boonies, warnings like AEB can stay on for a while until I get back on a real road and have driven for a bit

 

[anand]

Yeah that surprises me - I get it very temporarily - just ADAS figuring out where the heck it is. So usually 15 seconds to 5 minutes - if I’m really out in the boonies, warnings like AEB can stay on for a while until I get back on a real road and have driven for a bit

Rural areas or areas without road signs have this effect on ADAS systems across vehicles... In an oddly similar but different fashion, my '22 Sprinter's cruise control (radar based only, no regular cruise option) will stop working if I don't encounter another vehicle for an amount of time (sometimes as little as 10 minutes, sometimes 60+ minutes) and then will re-enable itself after 5-20 minutes of passing/driving around vehicles. In that vehicle it is a known "feature" (now, 3+ years later, with a TSB for a "fix" to reduce the occurrence)

 

[IslandFalconer]

Yeah that surprises me - I get it very temporarily - just ADAS figuring out where the heck it is. So usually 15 seconds to 5 minutes - if I’m really out in the boonies, warnings like AEB can stay on for a while until I get back on a real road and have driven for a bit

It is very random. If I drive on any of our dark roads at night here in PEI they will sometimes stay on for days. I have found if I do a reset on the Head Unit they will turn off. But it seems once it trips in to can’t see the road signs mode it will just get stuck there.

 

[Bayford]

My Grenadier (diesel UK spec commercial) spent at least 3 out of the first 6 months from new in the dealers with a variety of intermittent electrical problems - had all sorts of things changed on it by the dealer - batteries, canbus, and anything else the dealer could think of - nothing sorted it and I was close to handing the vehicle back, thinking that the Inneos was no match for the 2001 Landcruiser that had given me 20 + years trouble free service.

In the end it turned out that the vehicle wasn't properly earthed. A two cent locking washer on the earth cable solved all of the electrical problems. For the last 12 months and 15,000 miles the Grenadier has been entirely trouble free. I have close to zero electrical knowledge but it might be worth checking the earthing based on my experience.

 

[LeeroyJ]

As mentioned by @Shopkeep , try waiting for the lights to clear when you turn the ignition, before starting the engine. There should only be 3 or 4 lights remaining (that should go away when you start). On paper this shouldn't make a difference, in practice though it sure seems to help.

All that being said, this vehicle is the king of alarm/alert fatigue.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm8pzAD-HGM


The constant alarms and alerts really get the OCD in me, I want that notification panel completely black.

The worst offender in my Grenadier is the tire pressure monitor. The delta in pressure between a cold tire and one that's been driving on the freeway and heated-up, is large enough that I either have to live with low pressure warnings when I first start the vehicle or high pressure warnings after the tires have heated up. I've recalibrated the sensors when cold, warm, and hot, none capture the full range. The tire pressure warning is particularly annoying because it also cycles on the information display and replaces the fuel level gauge for periods of time.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

It is very random. If I drive on any of our dark roads at night here in PEI they will sometimes stay on for days. I have found if I do a reset on the Head Unit they will turn off. But it seems once it trips in to can’t see the road signs mode it will just get stuck there.

Wild. I’ve also wondered whether there are some SW mapping issues depending on region - like the owner in Puerto Rico. Ineos is like “ah, PEI - whatevs.” My 8 yo BTW is in full on Anne of Green Gables mode - and it’s turning her into even MORE of a drama queen. Screw you, PEI - “making dads with daughters suffer since 1908. We bring the pain.”

 

[CrazyOldMan]

As mentioned by @Shopkeep , try waiting for the lights to clear when you turn the ignition, before starting the engine. There should only be 3 or 4 lights remaining (that should go away when you start). On paper this shouldn't make a difference, in practice though it sure seems to help.

All that being said, this vehicle is the king of alarm/alert fatigue.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm8pzAD-HGM


The constant alarms and alerts really get the OCD in me, I want that notification panel completely black.

The worst offender in my Grenadier is the tire pressure monitor. The delta in pressure between a cold tire and one that's been driving on the freeway and heated-up, is large enough that I either have to live with low pressure warnings when I first start the vehicle or high pressure warnings after the tires have heated up. I've recalibrated the sensors when cold, warm, and hot, none capture the full range. The tire pressure warning is particularly annoying because it also cycles on the information display and replaces the fuel level gauge for periods of time.

For sure - especially during a season shift. I think I managed to turn off some alert notification settings - at least the audio. I can’t really remember - maybe I’m just desensitized and don’t notice any more. I did range resets a few times and then just gave up.

 

[IslandFalconer]

Wild. I’ve also wondered whether there are some SW mapping issues depending on region - like the owner in Puerto Rico. Ineos is like “ah, PEI - whatevs.” My 8 yo BTW is in full on Anne of Green Gables mode - and it’s turning her into even MORE of a drama queen. Screw you, PEI - “making dads with daughters suffer since 1908. We bring the pain.”

Hey don’t blame me for that red headed girl!

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Hey don’t blame me for that red headed girl!

PEI Cultural Imperialists

 

[IslandFalconer]

PEI Cultural Imperialists

Let’s not get political now!!
What a crazy day

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Let’s not get political now!!
What a crazy day

I haven’t even looked at the news yet - now I’m scared