My 2025 Ineos new years wish list

[parb]

Put in your wishes and to make it interesting let's limit it to no more than 5 wishes.

These are my 5 wishes as an owner with 8 months on the Grenadier.

1. Hire a community manager that helps dealers build community and listen to feedback from customers. Local clubs will do a lot for the brand but ineos needs to do their part. They should also be active on forums like this and help dealers setup community events. Its a bit overdue IMHO and will do a lot to build sales.
2. Disconnecting the battery should never require a service visit under any circumstance no matter which runtime mode the computer is in. Crash consistent behavior in computers to recover from power outages is a 30 year old computer science basic capability. Just fix this please.
3. Oil change reset should be a user capability. This should never require a visit to the dealer.
4. TPMS automatic relearn based on tire position should be a minimum viable capability. Please fix this, this is really just poor software in 2025 to not being able to handle this.
5. This won't help me right now but I wish that they had wired all the extra high powered outlets and cig lighter outlets into it's own single sub panel. This should be separated from the starter battery so it is ready to wire into a aux battery with a DC-DC isolator rather than the current system by just moving the feed wire to the sub panel. All Ineos needed to do is to move the relays and fuses to it's own board and having a single power wire to that board. Just by moving a single wire we could easily configure the Grenadier into a house battery/starter battery system if desired. Or keep the current system with a both batteries extending each other. Seems easy to do in the factory and it would future proof the system so much more than what it is today.

That's my list. What's yours?

 

[DaveB]

Put in your wishes and to make it interesting let's limit it to no more than 5 wishes.

These are my 5 wishes as an owner with 8 months on the Grenadier.

1. Hire a community manager that helps dealers build community and listen to feedback from customers. Local clubs will do a lot for the brand but ineos needs to do their part. They should also be active on forums like this and help dealers setup community events. Its a bit overdue IMHO and will do a lot to build sales.
2. Disconnecting the battery should never require a service visit under any circumstance no matter which runtime mode the computer is in. Crash consistent behavior in computers to recover from power outages is a 30 year old computer science basic capability. Just fix this please.
3. Oil change reset should be a user capability. This should never require a visit to the dealer.
4. TPMS automatic relearn based on tire position should be a minimum viable capability. Please fix this, this is really just poor software in 2025 to not being able to handle this.
5. This won't help me right now but I wish that they had wired all the extra high powered outlets and cig lighter outlets into it's own single sub fuse panel. This should be separated from the starter battery so it is ready to wire into a aux battery with a DC-DC isolator rather than the current system. All Ineos needed to is to move the relays and fuses to it's own board and having a single power wire to that board. Just by moving a single wire we could easily configure the Grenadier into a house battery/starter battery system if desired. Or keep the current system with a both batteries extending each other. Seems easy to do in the factory and it would future proof the system so much more than what it is today.

That's my list. What's yours?

1. Ineos and their dealers have been active on here in the past and some still are in the background. At times some people got abusive and over the top with demands and issues. In Australia Ineos clubs, meetings and Facebook groups have formed.
2. I have disconnected the battery on mine several times and never needed a service visit. Here is the description I use from Rok Doctors manual.
   
3. Ineos wanted to have it work so anyone could do oil changes and services but I believe there was a disagreement with BMW and others as to back to back warranty that is still under discussion. IE engine blows up and customer claims warranty. BMW question, was all maintenance done as per dealer instructions and timing?? Only answer customer would ever give is "YES!!!" even if it wasn't. A dealer will have time sheets, job allocations, no skin in the game etc etc. Not the answer many people will want but I can understand it. I think we need to ensure that once the vehicle is out of warranty this is turned off.
4. TPMS need to be programmed if changed. The unit in the tyre doesn't hold information of it's location, only its identification number and the readings. The location is done in the display screen software. Somewhere in the setup they could make it programmable by the owner but once again what if the owner loses track of which one is where and programmes it incorrectly?
5. Agree. Maybe Europe/UK don't use house battery setup as much??

 

[C-Mack]

Playing along with the thread here are some less critical but nice to have items:

1. Replace tell-tale warning display with a similar looking small digital screen which can be configured to show different vehicle information by the driver but still provide all the tell-tale warnings
2. Optional factory digital rear view mirror and high quality front/rear cameras - Wolfbox is very cool but would prefer something OEM with a cleaner install
3. Different levels of tint options for factory safari windows or built-in pull shades
4. Windshield with heating elements in the glass - sure it’ll get broken a lot but for those in climates with a lot of snow and ice it can be a life saver at times
5. Simple Homelink option for garage door openers

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

I’m not planning buying another but my only real “wishes” are:

1. Heated front screen
2. Slightly longer Station wagon with 7 seats
3. I wish it would remember previous setting for start stop or have a toggle switch
4. The rear view camera should be centralised over the tow ball
5. Screen for camera should be bigger (I have a 23 vehicle and I believe that’s been fixed already?)

That’s it.

 

[Tazzieman]

1-5. Less work and more trips away
Other than that I'm perfectly content with my setups/work arounds.

 

[AngusMacG]

Here's my list (from a minimal off road user at the moment):

1) slightly thicker wind screen to help prevent rock chips/stress cracks
2) heating elements on headlights for those in colder climates
3) better rear view camera with more screen
4) angle the infotainment screen more towards the driver (should help reduce glare)
5) push dealers to host events/workshops to help build a community.

 

[Deichrutscher]

I did not own one, but i have a whislist for the future :

• Service Manual
• LWB Station Wagon (Quartermaster-Wheelbase)
  approval as N1G Truck (less Tax)
• Parking Heater from Factory
• Allowing Resets for Oil-Change and Service without any tool (like Volkswagen)
• More Dealer Servicestations ....

 

[landmannnn]

1. 
   Maybe Europe/UK don't use house battery setup as much??

No. Everybody uses a house battery. That secondary battery to charge the starter battery is just plain weird.

 

[Dopplemax]

Playing along with the thread here are some less critical but nice to have items:

1. Replace tell-tale warning display with a similar looking small digital screen which can be configured to show different vehicle information by the driver but still provide all the tell-tale warnings
2. Optional factory digital rear view mirror and high quality front/rear cameras - Wolfbox is very cool but would prefer something OEM with a cleaner install
3. Different levels of tint options for factory safari windows or built-in pull shades
4. Windshield with heating elements in the glass - sure it’ll get broken a lot but for those in climates with a lot of snow and ice it can be a life saver at times
5. Simple Homelink option for garage door openers

Plus 1 on #5

 

[Dlucky]

Put in your wishes and to make it interesting let's limit it to no more than 5 wishes.

These are my 5 wishes as an owner with 8 months on the Grenadier.

1. Hire a community manager that helps dealers build community and listen to feedback from customers. Local clubs will do a lot for the brand but ineos needs to do their part. They should also be active on forums like this and help dealers setup community events. Its a bit overdue IMHO and will do a lot to build sales.
2. Disconnecting the battery should never require a service visit under any circumstance no matter which runtime mode the computer is in. Crash consistent behavior in computers to recover from power outages is a 30 year old computer science basic capability. Just fix this please.
3. Oil change reset should be a user capability. This should never require a visit to the dealer.
4. TPMS automatic relearn based on tire position should be a minimum viable capability. Please fix this, this is really just poor software in 2025 to not being able to handle this.
5. This won't help me right now but I wish that they had wired all the extra high powered outlets and cig lighter outlets into it's own single sub panel. This should be separated from the starter battery so it is ready to wire into a aux battery with a DC-DC isolator rather than the current system by just moving the feed wire to the sub panel. All Ineos needed to do is to move the relays and fuses to it's own board and having a single power wire to that board. Just by moving a single wire we could easily configure the Grenadier into a house battery/starter battery system if desired. Or keep the current system with a both batteries extending each other. Seems easy to do in the factory and it would future proof the system so much more than what it is today.

That's my list. What's yours?

1. Replace power steering pump with one that is quiet.
2. A/C system that functions as it should. No random blasts of cold air when running the heater.

My list is pretty short. Truck is otherwise ok.

 

[greenythegrenny]

Many of the things listed above but also

1. Heated steering wheel

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

This is interesting.

1. My PAS pump is silent. So did they change something for newer cars or is it a dodgy batch?
2. Last winter my HVAC worked perfectly, this winter it has been a bit iffy. So obviously something causing a problem rather just a crap design.

1. Replace power steering pump with one that is quiet.
2. A/C system that functions as it should. No random blasts of cold air when running the heater.

My list is pretty short. Truck is otherwise ok.

 

[Dlucky]

This is interesting.

1. My PAS pump is silent. So did they change something for newer cars or is it a dodgy batch?
2. Last winter my HVAC worked perfectly, this winter it has been a bit iffy. So obviously something causing a problem rather just a crap design.

Great question, almost every grenadier here I’ve come across makes the same squeal at some level. Maybe in 2025 they will come up with a fix

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Great question, almost every grenadier here I’ve come across makes the same squeal at some level. Maybe in 2025 they will come up with a fix

Weird. Mine is an early 23 build, think VIN is around 2000. Interesting. I’ve met a few Grenadier owners here and whilst some of them had a few annoying faults (in their vehicles, not their flawless personalities of course), none mentioned squeaky steering pumps. But those were all 2023 cars I think.

 

[FlyersFan76]

Lots of great options here.

• A community manager would be great. As a former Hummer owner, AM General was excellent at building the brand. They supported the Hummer Club probably from Day 1 of the club. Factory techs as well as dealer techs attended off road events, fixed trucks in the parking lot till all hours at night to make sure the owner was able to wheel the next day or get home. Warranty work included. I ran over a tree branch that punctured my CTIS line and they fixed it for free. Swapping half shafts, t-cases was possible.
• Heated windshield would be great. However I have heard in the past that Ford owns the patent, at least the version that the Hummer and Land Rover users with the tine wires. So that could add an even extra cost beyond the hardware.
• Service Manual obviously
• Scan Tool support
• User selectable opt in and opt out settings. If we can turn off our Daytime Headlights permanently there are surely other things we should be able to permanently disable. Like auto start. The truck rolls too much to want that on too much.

And of course what was already mentioned above.

Keyless/remote/proximity unlocking and push button start. LOL just kidding I actually do not mind physical key.

 

[FlyersFan76]

Weird. Mine is an early 23 build, think VIN is around 2000. Interesting. I’ve met a few Grenadier owners here and whilst some of them had a few annoying faults (in their vehicles, not their flawless personalities of course), none mentioned squeaky steering pumps. But those were all 2023 cars I think.

My truck is an early 2024 and I have not noticed the PS pump issue that others have mentioned. Maybe my ears can't hear that decibel level.

 

[parb]

My truck is an early 2024 and I have not noticed the PS pump issue that others have mentioned. Maybe my ears can't hear that decibel level.

i don't think i can hear it either. Mine was built in very late 23 and shipped stateside in january, arrived in february or march.

 

[ColoradoMike]

Here's my list (from a minimal off road user at the moment):

5) push dealers to host events/workshops to help build a community.

Our dealership, Red Noland in Colorado Springs, hosts numerous off road adventures throughout the year. They also do trips to Moab each year. On January 3rd, Red Noland is doing a winter run event snow or shine!

 

[SkiBum1]

Put in your wishes and to make it interesting let's limit it to no more than 5 wishes.

These are my 5 wishes as an owner with 8 months on the Grenadier.

1. Hire a community manager that helps dealers build community and listen to feedback from customers. Local clubs will do a lot for the brand but ineos needs to do their part. They should also be active on forums like this and help dealers setup community events. Its a bit overdue IMHO and will do a lot to build sales.
2. Disconnecting the battery should never require a service visit under any circumstance no matter which runtime mode the computer is in. Crash consistent behavior in computers to recover from power outages is a 30 year old computer science basic capability. Just fix this please.
3. Oil change reset should be a user capability. This should never require a visit to the dealer.
4. TPMS automatic relearn based on tire position should be a minimum viable capability. Please fix this, this is really just poor software in 2025 to not being able to handle this.
5. This won't help me right now but I wish that they had wired all the extra high powered outlets and cig lighter outlets into it's own single sub panel. This should be separated from the starter battery so it is ready to wire into a aux battery with a DC-DC isolator rather than the current system by just moving the feed wire to the sub panel. All Ineos needed to do is to move the relays and fuses to it's own board and having a single power wire to that board. Just by moving a single wire we could easily configure the Grenadier into a house battery/starter battery system if desired. Or keep the current system with a both batteries extending each other. Seems easy to do in the factory and it would future proof the system so much more than what it is today.

That's my list. What's yours?

Your list is exactly as mine would have been.

I would probably consider adding the following:
1) larger fuel tank from the factory
2) lumbar support in the seat
3) side view mirrors with blind spot warning
4) a more robust bass system for the stereo

Mine is pretty soft here, but I would keep yours as the must haves and add mine as “nice” to have

 

[drinkmorejava]

1. Ineos and their dealers have been active on here in the past and some still are in the background. At times some people got abusive and over the top with demands and issues. In Australia Ineos clubs, meetings and Facebook groups have formed.
2. I have disconnected the battery on mine several times and never needed a service visit. Here is the description I use from Rok Doctors manual. View attachment 7882873
3. Ineos wanted to have it work so anyone could do oil changes and services but I believe there was a disagreement with BMW and others as to back to back warranty that is still under discussion. IE engine blows up and customer claims warranty. BMW question, was all maintenance done as per dealer instructions and timing?? Only answer customer would ever give is "YES!!!" even if it wasn't. A dealer will have time sheets, job allocations, no skin in the game etc etc. Not the answer many people will want but I can understand it. I think we need to ensure that once the vehicle is out of warranty this is turned off.
4. TPMS need to be programmed if changed. The unit in the tyre doesn't hold information of it's location, only its identification number and the readings. The location is done in the display screen software. Somewhere in the setup they could make it programmable by the owner but once again what if the owner loses track of which one is where and programmes it incorrectly?
5. Agree. Maybe Europe/UK don't use house battery setup as much??

Can you help me understand what inactive for 15 minutes even means. Opening a door will cause some things to wake up. Is this fine or does the car have to be left completely untouched with the passenger door already open?