Maybe a new owner

[jimmyp11]

I have spent about 2 yours reading each category of technical forum topics. I know this is a first generation, but are these worth $80k+ for all these issues?

I mean, each category is riddled with issues.

Thoughts?

Thanks
Jim

 

[anand]

Whether they are worth it or not is a personal choice.

You’ve recognized they are first generation (although that is a loose description as here in the US there are three “revisions” within model year 2024, in addition to the RoW 2023 models), which inherently comes with risks and issues.

I would tell any potential owner that there is a chance you will have issues, but for the extreme majority of owners the issues experienced are annoyances and not critical issues.

It is a fantastic vehicle for what it was designed to do (off highway travel), which can make up for a lot of faults; unfortunately a lot of dealers aren’t properly preparing customers for what they are buying, or potential buyers are hoping it is something it isn’t (luxury, plush, etc)

 

[Grenadian]

I am an owner who has driven 5050km for 4 months.
In fact, it takes different time to get used to it depending on the person.
The Grenadier is different from a normal vehicle and operates differently from a normal 4WD vehicle.
Also, there are many differences such as HVAC, engine oil inspection method, trail record, and vice versa and so on.
I think some people feel uncomfortable with such differences and others do not.
In conclusion, it is certain that you do not buy and drive a broken or poorly designed vehicle.

 

[jimmyp11]

Whether they are worth it or not is a personal choice.

You’ve recognized they are first generation (although that is a loose description as here in the US there are three “revisions” within model year 2024, in addition to the RoW 2023 models), which inherently comes with risks and issues.

I would tell any potential owner that there is a chance you will have issues, but for the extreme majority of owners the issues experienced are annoyances and not critical issues.

It is a fantastic vehicle for what it was designed to do (off highway travel), which can make up for a lot of faults; unfortunately a lot of dealers aren’t properly preparing customers for what they are buying, or potential buyers are hoping it is something it isn’t (luxury, plush, etc)

I guess some that stuck out are all the a/c issues. The instrument cluster blanking out. Leaks in the door and window seals. Noise issues with people taking panels off to dynomat things.

I love the design but in Florida I do appreciate a/c

Jim

 

[jimmyp11]

BTW. How do I determine on a used 2024 which revision is it? I assume the best odds are with the latest revision?

Thanks

 

[anand]

BTW. How do I determine on a used 2024 which revision is it? I assume the best odds are with the latest revision?

Thanks

The updates are almost entirely in relation to the infotainment electronics; and functionally there is no difference. As far as “best odds”, I would say you’re about even across the board.

MY24.2 starts somewhere around a VIN of 17000 or a 3/24 build date. I’m not sure where the other break is.

Is there a particular issue you’re concerned with?

 

[jimmyp11]

The updates are almost entirely in relation to the infotainment electronics; and functionally there is no difference. As far as “best odds”, I would say you’re about even across the board.

MY24.2 starts somewhere around a VIN of 17000 or a 3/24 build date. I’m not sure where the other break is.

Is there a particular issue you’re concerned with?

I guess some that stuck out are all the a/c issues. The instrument cluster blanking out. Leaks in the door and window seals. Noise issues with people taking panels off to dynomat things.

Thanks
Jim

 

[anand]

A/C issues have no change at this time. Some are great, some are good, all are quirky.

Instrument cluster going dark is very rare.

Door seals and safari window seals both have a TSB and are fixed very quickly at a dealer if you have the problem. The door seals do not leak water into the vehicle.

People adding dynamat or sound deadening is a personal choice. Again, this absolutely is not a luxury vehicle; it is a utility vehicle. Don’t expect a super quiet cabin. Have a raised air intake or safari windows? You’re going to have added wind noise.

 

[jimmyp11]

I'm coming from a 1985 Benz 300gd diesel, so I know all about quirky But the 300gd wasn't 80k

Down here in swfl you kinda need very good a/c. One of the reasons for selling the 300gd.

 

[Jiman01]

I guess some that stuck out are all the a/c issues. The instrument cluster blanking out. Leaks in the door and window seals. Noise issues with people taking panels off to dynomat things.

Thanks
Jim

In general, the AC issues seem to be related to coolant levels and/or a flush. The leaky seals appear to be less common in US models, I’m assuming because they corrected the issue(s) after our UK/EU/Aussie friends suffered so much with this one.

There definitely is a hollow sound in the back. Its a relatively large empty space and sound just bounces around back there until there's a load to help dampen the noise or you add some sound absorbing mats if you keep it empty.

I can’t answer the infotainment question. I didn’t realize it was an issue…besides that it’s not very responsive.

I suggest you go drive one if you haven’t already. You’ll get a feel for the steering, see the AC/HVAC in action, and hear the noise in the back.

Regarding the price point, IMHO if you go with the things you can see, touch, and interact with, it wouldn’t seem worth it to most buyers. Objectively, a “normal” person is gonna see the manual seats, relatively spartan interior, metal key, and lack of storage compared to almost any other vehicle in it’s price point and say it’s not worth it.

However if you use the same metric to all the things you don’t readily see such as a the axles, engine, transmission, lockers, pre-wired winch, roof, and interior areas, bank vault doors, etc… you start to see the value in what you're purchasing…IF those things are important to you.

For many, the former is more important to them than the latter, and they’re the ones who would be most disappointed, if they made the mistake of purchasing one.

 

[TheDocAUS]

I have spent about 2 yours reading each category of technical forum topics. I know this is a first generation, but are these worth $80k+ for all these issues?

I mean, each category is riddled with issues.

Thoughts?

Thanks
Jim

I have had mine for nearly a year now, over 20,000km. Almost zero issues, a rattle that was fixed together with some factory fixes. I have made targeted changes for offroad use and the result is fantastic. Incredible effort for a first time car builder, with credit to their engineering partner Magna. It is a lot better than my old GU Patrol a proven offroad performer.

I made an effort to learn the car and make appropriate changes for my needs. INEOS have been slow to release some information, but this forum now has a lot, and I mean a lot, of great information, an example from last week here. In part:

Yes it did Doc! That busbar guide was the thing we needed now everything is routed to my second battery 100%.

I cannot stress how thankful I am to you and to this community

The car is not riddle with issues at all. The software needs some work.

Some refinements will occur as the cars go through a large range of environments and some issues are worked out and fixed. But it is a niche car, targeted at off road users.

Owners like @Logsplitter and @globalgregors have put their cars through extended tests in remote and harsh locations.

My car in remote Outback Australia:

 

[rovie]

I have had mine for nearly a year now, over 20,000km. Almost zero issues, a rattle that was fixed together with some factory fixes. I have made targeted changes for offroad use and the result is fantastic. Incredible effort for a first time car builder, with credit to their engineering partner Magna. It is a lot better than my old GU Patrol a proven offroad performer.

I made an effort to learn the car and make appropriate changes for my needs. INEOS have been slow to release some information, but this forum now has a lot, and I mean a lot, of great information, an example from last week here. In part:



The car is not riddle with issues at all. The software needs some work.

Some refinements will occur as the cars go through a large range of environments and some issues are worked out and fixed. But it is a niche car, targeted at off road users.

Owners like @Logsplitter and @globalgregors have put their cars through extended tests in remote and harsh locations.

My car in remote Outback Australia:

I can confirm this completely. My Grenadier now has 30k on the clock. Yes, there are minor issues, but either the dealer has fixed them or I can live with them. Just yesterday it proved again what it can do. The tractor tracks were so deep that the axles and differentials were touching the ground. Despite the heavy trailer, it worked its way up the forest path. Outstanding vehicle!

 

[Eric]

Whether they are worth it or not is a personal choice.

You’ve recognized they are first generation (although that is a loose description as here in the US there are three “revisions” within model year 2024, in addition to the RoW 2023 models), which inherently comes with risks and issues.

I would tell any potential owner that there is a chance you will have issues, but for the extreme majority of owners the issues experienced are annoyances and not critical issues.

It is a fantastic vehicle for what it was designed to do (off highway travel), which can make up for a lot of faults; unfortunately a lot of dealers aren’t properly preparing customers for what they are buying, or potential buyers are hoping it is something it isn’t (luxury, plush, etc)

It also appears some dealers are not doing through PDIs or due diligence checks as a lot of these niggles could sorted before delivery. Fluid levels, battery levels, seal checks, reset service indicator, et al.